CI 2009 EAc1.4: Optimize Energy Performance—Equipment and Appliances

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  • Buying Energy Star equipment is easy…

    EAp2 requires that 50% (by power rating) of new equipment and appliances purchase for the LEED-CI scope of work be Energy Star labeled. Projects that go beyond the 50% requirement can achieve up to four additional points under this credit by specifying 70%, 77%, 84%, or 90% Energy Star equipment.

    …But keeping track of the wattage is a chore

    Completing the rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. listing for each appliance and piece of equipment is the most time-consuming part of this credit. The LEED documentation requires...

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Sheela I
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Rated Power

How can i calculate rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. for appliances & laptops? Can i convert the Voltz into Watts and would that be the Rated power of the equipment?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jan 24 2012 Guest Expert 4163 Thumbs Up

Always be careful converting nameplate data to energy use data. In my experience this always overstates the power. Try to get the watts from the manufacturer.

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Monika Mickute Manager - Architectural Design Brandywine CAD Design, Inc.
Jan 19 2012
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Clarification needed on "New" vs "Old"

Hi,

We moved into a new building (CAD production, Document management, and large scale plotting business), which we are certifying under LEED CI. Most of our equipment, such as PCs, Plotters, laminator, and a large mounting table came with us from a our old location. I assume, we do not have to list this equipment for EAc1.1. But there are some plotter we replaced as part of the project, and those replacement pieces include both new equipment, and used equipment, which we purchased (so it is new to us). Do we have to list this used equipment we purchased as part of the project? And if yes, can we still omit the equipment we brought over from previous office from this credit?

Thank you!
Monika

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Monika Mickute Manager - Architectural Design Brandywine CAD Design, Inc.
Jan 19 2012
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Energy Efficiency Verification (EEV) vs Energy Star

Hi,

We purchased a Kenmore Refrigerator for our new office, which is pursuing LEED CI, and instead of it having an Energy Star sticker, it says it is EEV Rated. From my search online, it seems that EEV is an equivalent to Energy Star. Is my assumption correct, and can I list this Refrigerator as an Energy Star appliance for this credit?

Thank you!
Monika

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Kory Beighle Principal Sensible Green
Dec 13 2011
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Energy STAR Qualified Equipment for a Grocery Store?

I am working on the LEED documentation on a grocery store project and we are more towards the beginning of the project still. I just recieved all of the equipment information from the designers and I am realizing that I have no idea if the stuff is Energy STAR qualified or not. I looked on estar's website and I see they have various categories of commercial food service equipment.

Unfortunately, from what I can tell all of this equipment seems to be more for resturaunts and not a grocery store. For example, all of the commercial rifrigerators or freezers are smaller (1) or (2) door pieces of equipment. If I am trying to compare a (5) door freezer how does that work? Who can I contact to find out if this equipment even qualifies for labeling?

Thus far I have spoken to the rep at the equipment agency the owner wants to use and he doesn't think the equipment should count for the calculations, but I need to know for sure because the rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. on these pieces of equipment significantly outwieghs any other appliances or office equipment they are planning to use.

Any thoughts? If you need more info please let me know and I will try to provide it.

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 16 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

Kory,
You are right that most of the Energy Star commercial refrigeration equipment is for restaurant and food service use. I would contact Energy Star directly to see if they can give you more information. Here is the link to the contact page: http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=contact.ct_index

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Sheela I
Nov 07 2011
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Coffee Makers

Do coffee makers qualify for energy star rated equipment?

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 16 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

Commercial food service equipment does contribute to the credit. However, searching the Energy Star website, it doesn't look like there is an Estar label for commercial or personal coffee makers.

There is actually a recent scoping report on coffee makers that can be found here: http://www.energystar.gov/ia/products/downloads/ENERGY_STAR_Scoping_Repo...

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Sheela I
Nov 03 2011
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AV equipment

Where can i check to see which AV equipment qualify for energy star.

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Nov 03 2011 Moderator

Hi Sheela,

You can check the EnergyStar website here.

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Sheela I Nov 07 2011 Member 28 Thumbs Up

Thank you. I did not see projectors being listed for Energy star? Do projectors qualify for the credit as well under AV equipment?

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Nov 07 2011 Moderator

Hi Sheela,

If you see page nine of the "ENERGY STAR Program Requirements for Audio/Video" document you will see that projectors are excluded. (Unfortunately I could not find a date on this document.)

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Julie Hendricks Director of EcoServices Kirksey
Oct 12 2011
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Ice Makers- Bane of my Existence

OK, here's my dilemma: Icemakers are covered by Energy Star, but only air-cooled ice makers qualify. On our project, we have a number of Hoshizaki water-cooled icemakers. Of course, they aren't Energy Star, because Energy Star doesn't rate water-cooled icemakers. Should I list them as non-compliant icemakers, or should I not list them because Energy Star doesn't rate them?

Icemakers are big energy hogs, so this decision is really affecting my percentages.

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Nov 07 2011 Moderator

Hi Julie,

I believe that since they are not rated they should not be included. Though I suppose it could be argued either way, since one type is rated.

Does anyone have experience with this?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 20 2011 Moderator

Julie, in my opinion you should list them, because icemakers as a whole qualify, and there is no difference in the output of the two types of machines. Water-cooled icemakers are not only ineffiicent—they waste a lot of water. I would guess that Energy Star doesn't rate them due to inherent inefficiency.

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Kelly Duepner LEED BD+C, Christner Inc. Dec 08 2011 Member

Julie,
Is it a commercial ice maker? I have an undercounter ice maker in a kitchen. Does this one qualify?

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

Here is additional information about ENERGY STAR criteria for ice makers: http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=comm_ice_machines.pr_crit_comm_ice...

I agree with Tristan that any commercial ice makers should be included in credit documentation as part of total equipment and should not be excluded if they are water-cooled.

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Alaina Ladner Designer, Huntsman Architectural Group Feb 02 2012 Member

I have been researching under cab ice makers and have not found one that is Energy Star rated, unlike the traditional sized ones. All the manufacturers I have contacted have said they don't know of under cab ice makers that are rated by E Star. Anyone found one?

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Lauren Fakhoury Research Assistant Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC
Sep 09 2011
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Rated Power

Is there a way to calculate rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw.? I am trying to find the rated power of a printer. I called the manufacturer and they do not know, but I have some informatoin regarding power usage from the product data sheet. Does anyone know how to use this information when documenting the credit? Thanks!

Power Consumption:
Active: 445 watts; Ready: 18 watts; Sleep: 6.7 watts; Off: 0.48 watts
Typical Electricity Consumption (TEC): 1.937 kWhA kilowatt-hour is a unit of work or energy, measured as 1 kilowatt (1,000 watts) of power expended for 1 hour. One kWh is equivalent to 3,412 Btu./Week

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Julie Hendricks Director of EcoServices, Kirksey Oct 12 2011 Member 168 Thumbs Up

Lauren,
You can use either 445 watts as your rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw., or you can use the value from Table 2, which is 250 watts for office laser printers (pg. 179 of the Reference Guide). There's a discussion of this issue at the bottom of this page; I'd link to it for you if I knew how!

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

There is also info about this on the Checklists page for this credit, under Schematic Design.

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Christine Teichert
Sep 07 2011
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EAc1.4 defer to construction submittal??

Can you submit this as a construction credit instead of a design credit? If so, how would that work with EAp2 Minimum Energy performance since the two are linked? EAc1.1, 1.2, & 1.3 would be submitted with the design submittal, but I am unsure if we will have the equipment/appliance information before we submit for our design review. The owner will purchase Energy Star equipment, but might not know the exact make and model until further down the line.

What is the best approach for this? Thanks!

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 01 2011 Moderator

Hi Christine, my understanding is that just because something is a Design credit doesn't mean you have to submit it for a Design review. So you could defer it.

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Nov 01 2011 Moderator

Hi Christine,

In LOv3 you can designate which credits you will send for design review when you go to submit. Even if they are "design" credits you can choose not to select them and postpone until the construction review. 

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Omar Delgado Mechanical Engineer EnerMech
Aug 24 2011
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Single Phase UPS

Greetings all,

I have a CI project that has single phase UPS, PoE Switches, and some AiroNet AP. Are all these excluded from the calculation?

Thanks!

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Sep 02 2011 Moderator

Omar, only equipment that is eligible for an Energy Star label is included in this credit. You can double-check this on the Energy Star website, but I don't believe the examples you list are eligible.

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

There are labels in various stages of development for some of these types of equipment. For info on ESTAR labels for UPS, look here: http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=new_specs.uninterruptible_power_su...

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AMY MUSSEN Corporate Environmental Officer Bentley Systems
Aug 16 2011
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Energy Star equipment category exemptions?

We're working on a LEED-CI office fit-out project in the UK. Having some trouble discerning which equipment types definitely are/n't eligible for Energy Star qualification, compounded by the fact that this project is outside the USA.

Specifically, does anyone know if small servers, networking, and VOIP equipment are exempt from Energy Star? I've scoured the website and the info there is vague on these categories. When I asked the vendors, they acted like they'd never even heard of Energy Star.

Also, has anyone had luck submitting EU-rated A++ equipment as Energy Star? In theory it seems to be in keeping with the credit intent.

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Susann Geithner Director of Sustainability, HSB Architects & Engineers Aug 17 2011 Guest Expert 1878 Thumbs Up

For our US projects we had a similar problem. The Energy Star homepage does define the categories in more detail and also sometimes lists exemptions to the credit. This would be my first suggestion. Than also the Energy Star website lists the requirements for water and energy consumption per equipment in order to get the Energy Star. So the second option would be to show that your equipment meets that or even better compare A++ with the ES requirements. I hope that helps.

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ZEB Tech singapore ESD Consultancy, ZEB-Technology Pte Ltd Sep 23 2011 Member 683 Thumbs Up

For the few equipments that we are using, they are listed under the EU-ENERGY STAR list( http://www.eu-energystar.org/en/database/) and ot the U.S. EPA ENERGY STAR list.

Is it acceptable to still consider it as ENERGY STAR certified ?

Please advice.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 21 2011 Moderator

What do the new International ACPs have to say about Energy Star equivalence?

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

Unfortunately there is no International ACP for CI, but it would be worth posting the question to the International ACP page of LEEDuser, or look for ESTAR references elsewhere in the International ACPs.

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

There is some guidance on how to go about establishing ENERGY STAR equivalency in the LEED EB:OM International ACP. See MRc2.1 for example. I don't know that this would be accepted for a CI project, but it can help you establish your approach and make the case.

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James Shook
Jun 27 2011
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When to use Table vs. Spec rated power

Can someone clarify when to use the Table 2 rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. number vs. specification rated power. My example:

Have 90 new computer monitors going into the project. According to the Dell website the rated power (maximum power draw) is 25 watts. Table 2 indicated a rated power of 120 watts. These are EnergyStar monitors and it would be to our advantage to use the 120 watt number obviously. Is that the intent of the credit, since we could have purchased any monitor? Or is it more appropriate to use the specified power for the equipement?

Thank you.

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

James,
The best way to understand how this is supposed to work is to look at the prerequisite form for EAp2, where this information will be entered. You need to use the rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. of both ESTAR and non-ESTAR equipment. The form will do the rest of the work. Table 2 is meant to be an example but it may not be clear. The credit is set up to award points based on the total % of watts that are ESTAR rated, so to speak, not to quantify a total reduction in energy use due to the use of ESTAR equipment. I think Table 2 is confusing because it is presenting the rated power of both ESTAR and non-ESTAR equipment as the same, as if referring to a baseline, but that is not how the calculation works. What we are looking at is ESTAR rated watts over total rated watts.

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ZEB Tech singapore ESD Consultancy ZEB-Technology Pte Ltd
Jun 23 2011
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LEED CI -PI FORMS

For our project which is aiming LEED CI, is a floor in an office building , and the building itself is part of a bigger complex comprising of 5 buildings in all.

The PI 1 form has ITEM 4 stating " Any land that was or will be disturbed for the purpose of undertaking the LEED project is included within the LEED project boundary".

Relating to the statement above , As the project is just a small part of a huge campus where the car park and other facilities are common to all 5 buildings, is it correct to say that we register the LEED project boundary only to the floor of that 1 building that we are aiming to work on?

The statement of the PI form is a bit confusing.

Further in the same PI 1 form , ITEM 7 states "The Gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.) of the LEED project building is no less than 2% of the gross land area within the LEED project boundary".

In case we register the only 1 floor as LEED boundary, the above statement does not hold true because then the LEED project building floor area ( i.e. 1 building of the campus ) will definitely have more area than the LEED project boundary ( i.e. 1 floor of the that 1 building).

Please advice.

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Sue Barnett Principal, Sue Barnett Sustainable Design Jul 21 2011 Member 270 Thumbs Up

I think the PI form for CI seems to be meant for NC rather than commercial interior- and I would appreciate it if LEEDuser could have an instruction page for these forms- there is no help in the Reference Guides....

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

For a CI project, it makes sense for the LEED boundary to be the floor you are certifying and the associated number of parking spaces.

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Sue Barnett Principal Sue Barnett Sustainable Design
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Forms and Energy Star Equipment

The EA 1.4 is self populated by EAp2. Our client is a university and the equipment they intend to supply for their break room and offices is not in our scope of work- they will purchase at a later date and our GC will not purchase equipment. We have advised that they should purchase Energy Star- but do not know what they intend to buy. How do we proceed with these credits when we know there will be refrigerators dishwashers and microwaves at a minimum?

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Steve Loppnow Sustainability Manager, YR&G Dec 19 2011 Guest Expert 658 Thumbs Up

If the equipment in question is not in your scope but is in the project scope, (FF&E) it should be included. If you don't know what equipment will be purchased, I would include it as non-ESTAR rated equipment in the calculations. You could provide supplemental information via an uploaded spreadsheet that accounts for what is and is not included in EAp2, however, it seems as though it should all be included there as well. If the future equipment is truly not a part of the project scope, then you don't need to consider it.

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Jeff Barrett Group 4 Architecture
Jun 03 2011
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LEED 2009 CI Credit EA1.4

I have a project in which 100% of the appliances, electronics, etc. purchased are energy star compliant. The "BETA" form after the table is filled out will not allow the form to save and says there are problems with meeting the requirements. How is this form tied into the P2 form as the same information for energy star table exists. Do these forms have to be identical when filled out? Also, At 100% the credit page will not let me update the points to (4) achieved and reverts back to 1 point attempted???

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 20 2011 Moderator

Jeff, I would recommend getting your form updated—send GBCI a request. That should help.

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Christian Lich LEED AP ARCADIS Deutschland GmbH
Apr 29 2011
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Leased equipment

Hi there,

what about leased electrical equipment, f.e. a vending machine for cool drinks or similar appliances. Does this have to be included, too?

Regards,
Christian

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 20 2011 Moderator

Christian, per the credit language, if the equipment was installed as part of the scope of work, it doesn't matter if it is leased or owned.

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Michael Miller Sustainability Resources Group SERA Architects
Mar 30 2011
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Residential oven/stove used in 'commercial' warming kitchen

Our (CI 2009) project is a small in-patient clinic with a kitchen primarily to be used for warming food prepared at a central kitchen and delivered to the clinic. Because of this usage, equipment costs, the fact that staff using the kitchen will not be food-service 'professionals', etc., the client has decided to use a residential stove/oven and wall ovens, rather than commercial cooking equipment.

Commercial convection ovens are Energy Star-eligible. Residential stoves / ovens are not. Anyone have any experience regarding whether we would be forced to count our residential ovens as un-labelled, ES-eligible appliances, on the basis that they are being used in a setting that could have a commercial oven? Or are they simply ES-ineligible, thus we can exclude them?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 22 2011 Moderator

Michael, I would count this as Energy Star ineligible. It seems like a clearly "residential" application that is being filled with a residential appliance.

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Ramesh Narayanan
Feb 24 2011
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Energy Star Equipment

Dear Sir,

One of our project as LEED Commercial Interior (USGBC) which is having the 75% of the area covered by lab and remaining 25% of the area with office. The lab which is used for testing the food, air, flue gas etc. The lab have multiple equipment for testing. Whether the lab equipment also required to be energy star or only the equipment in the office with energy star is okay. As per the guidance stating that 50% of the office equipment, electronics and commerical food service equipment should be the Energy Star Equipment to meet the LEED Requirement. Kindly send us whether the Lab equipment also need to be energy star equipment to meet the EAPr2 (50% of the equipment should be energy star equipment.

Thanks & Regards,
Ramesh Narayanan

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Paul Conrad Energy Engineer, CLEAResult Consulting Feb 24 2011 Guest 1214 Thumbs Up

Ramesh,

The equipment that is required to be included in the EnergySTAR calculation is all equipment that has an EnergySTAR alternative. Equipment, such as most lab equipment, that does not have an EnergySTAR alternative it is not necessary to count.

Paul

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Ramesh Narayanan Feb 24 2011 Guest 306 Thumbs Up

Dear Paul,

Thanks for your prompt reply. Here this project is developing to relocate the people from somewhere else building. Therefore the office equipment like computer, laptop and other equipment will not be purchased newly, only the old office equipment will be used here. Kinldy inform me whether the old equipment also required energy star or only newly purchased equipments are required energy star. The question is whether old office equipments are necessary to count to meet the EAPr2 (50% of the equipment should be the energy star) or does not required to count?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 25 2011 Moderator

Ramesh, I would recommend reading about this question in the information above under "Bird's Eye View" and below in other forum discussions.

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Ron Frank Apr 18 2011 Member 104 Thumbs Up

For clarification, all Energy Star rated and non Energy Star rated equipment/appliances purchased "new" for your commercial interior project should be calculated based on "rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. in wattage". Rated power is the maximum power it can draw under any circumstance. You divide the rated power of the Energy Star equipment/appliances against or by the total new equipment/appliances purchased to determine the percentage and points earned. In addition, It is at times difficult to determine the rated power in wattage with the spec sheets, website and labels on the equipment and can use the default rated power in watts in table 2 on page 179.
Please confirm.

Thank you,

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Grace Ming ESD Consultant May 06 2011 Member 146 Thumbs Up

Hello All,

Further to Ron's query above, could anyone advise if it is OK to use the default rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. in watts in table 2 on page 179 of LEED CI reference guide for NON-Energy Star equipment & appliances as well.

In one of our projects, the client is using water cooler and ice machine as well. How do we calculate the rated power for those appliances? The energy efficiency of those appliances are rated by "kWhA kilowatt-hour is a unit of work or energy, measured as 1 kilowatt (1,000 watts) of power expended for 1 hour. One kWh is equivalent to 3,412 Btu./day" and "lb ice/day" respectively. Many thanks in advance.

Regards,
Grace

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Shevaun O'Connor Inland Technical Services Jan 23 2012 Member 253 Thumbs Up

Hi everyone,
We've submitted this as an ID credit for LEED Canada NC 1.0 and the reviewer has told us to resubmit as Canada CI 1.0 EAc1.4. The reference guide says that the LLT table column for rated powerRated power is the nameplate power on a piece of equipment. It represents the capacity of the unit and is the maximum that it will draw. has a default value, but I'm playing around with the LLT and it does not.
The reference guide has an example table on pg 171 with values in it but it does not explicitly say 'use these values as the default values.' We have wattage for all equipment except washing machines, which have a rating listed in kwhA kilowatt-hour is a unit of work or energy, measured as 1 kilowatt (1,000 watts) of power expended for 1 hour. One kWh is equivalent to 3,412 Btu./year. I've checked the CIRs but no dice.
I know this is an older reference guide and Canadian, but maybe someone can help us determine where to go from here. Thank you very much,
Shevaun

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Andrew Laing, LEED AP BD+C Vice President Cassidy Turley
Feb 15 2011
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Forms

Anyone have an Excel or similar form to gather this info from the project team? I don't see one under the "documentation toolkit"... Thanks in advance for any help.

Sincerely,
Andrew

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 18 2011 Moderator

Andrew, would the LEED Online itself be sufficient for your needs here? Download the EAp2 form shown in the Doc Toolkit and see the Energy Star tables.

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Derek Fung
Dec 08 2010
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EnergyStar in other countries

This old question again but with a new twist: As a project in China, all my project IT equipment checks out as EnergyStar due to using Dell and HP equipment. The only thing not compliant are the refrigerators. However, we have selected China Energy Efficiency Grade 1 (highest efficiency rating) fridges.

I took the annual energy consumption of these refrigerators and compared it to the refrigerator EnergyStar standard (which is based on 20% reduction of USA federal standard NAECA). The calculation shows that my refrigerators are significantly below the Energystar max electricity use limit for a product of this class and size.

While I can show equivalency to EnergyStar this way, at the end of the day these products are still not EnergyStar certified. There is also no equivalent product in the US market. Do you think this method will work?

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Paul Conrad Energy Engineer, CLEAResult Consulting Dec 09 2010 Guest 1214 Thumbs Up

Derek,

Honestly, it's going to depend on which reviewer looks at your project. There's always been a bit of a subjective element to reviews by GBCI, but the issue becomes magnified when you run into situations that are only vaguely described in the requirements.

As a reviewer, if you presented me with a well thought out narrative with documentation showing that your equipment exceeds the requirements of EnergySTAR in EVERY way, I would be inclined to give you credit for it. How your reviewer will feel about it, you will just have to submit it and see what happens.

I'm sorry that I couldn't be of more help in this instance,
Paul

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Raymond Loo Senior Manager, Corporate Services, MEA & Associates Limited (Hong Kong) Oct 13 2011 Guest 127 Thumbs Up

I take it that there is still no update with respect to this credit for non-US projects? Energy Star is not used in Hong Kong as well. Hong Kong has its own EMSD, which is supposed to be similar to Energy Star.

Has anyone had success using EMSD class 1 appliances as equivalent to Energy Star certification? Or any other country for that matter?

Paul, is there any process available with GBCI where we can ask their advice PRIOR to purchasing the appliances/equipment? Is the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide the only route or is there some less formal procedure with a quicker turnaround time available?

Thanks.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 20 2011 Moderator

Raymond, the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide or LEED Interpretation would be the route to get certain guidance on this from GBCI.

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Christian Lich LEED AP ARCADIS Deutschland GmbH
Oct 25 2010
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Refrigerators in an office kitchenette

Hi,
I have got to admit that I am not quite sure if I have to include kitchen equipment like a refrigerator or a dishwasher if it is used in a kitchenette in an office. Does it count as a commercial appliance then and has to be included in our calculation or can we leave it out?
Thanks,
Christian

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Paul Conrad Energy Engineer, CLEAResult Consulting Oct 25 2010 Guest 1214 Thumbs Up

Christian,

I would include it, as there are energy star refrigerators.

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Richard Navarro
Sep 21 2010
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Commercial Washers and Dryers

Anyone know of any good commercial Washer and Dryer combos that are energy efficient. I checked out Energy Star for the washers but no info was given on the Dryers.

If anyone could help that'd be great!

Thanks in advance!

Richard

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Sep 21 2010 Moderator

"ENERGY STAR does not label clothes dryers because there is little difference in energy use among models." (link)

I would look for the most efficient washer option that's in your price range, and pair it up with the same company's dryer, assuming they offer a stackable option. (Or better yet, skip the dryer and use a rack or clothesline.) A good front-loading washer will remove a lot of water from the clothes, making them dry faster.

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Strada A
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Task Lamps exempt from Energy Star calculations?

We are purchasing task lamps to earn the IEQ 6.1 "Controllability of Systems - Lighting."

The 2009 Commercial Interiors books states that "Excluded are HVAC, lighting, and building envelope products."

Am I correct that task lamps would be excluded under "lighting?"

I ask, because the lamps are not a hard-wired part of the building.

Thanks,

Strada

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victoria toplas Sep 08 2010 Guest 482 Thumbs Up

i would say yes they are excluded: table lamps would be in the category of lighting as per the energy star website: http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=products.pr_find_es_products
Also, table lamps as devices dont seem to earn ratings - after a quick flick through, the focus in the category seems to be permanently installed light fittings or light bulbs. Neither of these are relevant for EAc1.4.

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Paul Conrad Energy Engineer, CLEAResult Consulting Sep 08 2010 Guest 1214 Thumbs Up

Strada,

I agree with Victoria, task lamps are not included under EAc1.4.

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Adele Bluck
Aug 12 2010
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Existing Equipment

In our project, we are relocating a lot of IT equipment from another office, some of which is a few years old. From previous comments I'm not sure if I need to include these in the calculation for this credit.
Very little of the equipment is on current Energy Star Prodcut list, but some of it is on older product lists from the time when it was purchased new - is there any way to account for this if I have to include this equipment in the calcualtion?

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victoria toplas Aug 12 2010 Guest 482 Thumbs Up

April 2010 CI Addenda: "Only new appliances and equipment purchased as part of the scope of work for the project need to be included in the credit for EA Prerequisite 2 and EA Credit 1.4."
If your project was registered after this date you are fine. I also think that this was in fact a clarification of the original requirements rather than a change, so would personally adopt the same approach even if my project was registered before then.

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Paul Conrad Energy Engineer, CLEAResult Consulting Aug 12 2010 Guest 1214 Thumbs Up

Good find Victoria, and I agree that it you could take this approach regardless of registration date.

Paul Conrad

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Lauren Glasscock Sr. Sustainability Professional, KEMA Services, Inc. Aug 12 2010 Guest Expert 3207 Thumbs Up

On a related note, what if you wanted to include the equipment and appliances coming from an old office because (although it was more work) actually helped you get more points. What's our thought on if that's allowed?

The addenda reads: "needs to be included..."

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