CI 2009 MRc4: Recycled Content

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    Documenting this credit can take time, since cost and exact percentages of post- and pre-consumer materials must be collected for each recycled item used. 

    LEED requires the base materials budget to be consistent across all MR credits. The LEED Online credit forms help provide consistency across MR credits by applying the same data to multiple credits. Materials used to earn this credit cannot also be counted for MRc3: Materials Reuse, nor for MRc7: Certified WoodWood from a source that has been determined, through a certification process, to meet stated ecological and other criteria. There are numerous forest certification programs in general use...

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Jennifer Berthelot-Jelovic Director of Sustainability Shangri-La Construction
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Recycled Content Range

What does USGBC/GBCI accept when you have a range of recycled content. For example, Sika/Sarnafil has a 5-10% Post consumer recycled content on one of their projects in their documentation. Do you go with 5% to be safe, 7 or 8% to be middle of the road, or can you claim the whole 10%?

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Feb 03 2012 Guest 1312 Thumbs Up

You use the lowest percentage and urge the manufacturer to give us all better numbers.

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Michelle Bracewell-Musson Owner Musson General Contracting/Green Expectations Sustainability Solutions
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Furniture Used from Previous Location in New Site

First of all, I LOVE this site as it is so helpful and has saved me so much time!
THE ISSUES
I have documented the reused furniture in MR c3.2 Materials Reuse - Furniture and Furnishings and I know it automatically shows up in template MR c4 Recycled Content. My questions are:
1.) Can I put 100% for Post-consumerWaste material generated by households or by commercial, industrial and institutional facilities in their role as end-users of the product, which can no longer be used for its intended purpose. This includes returns of materials from the distribution chain (source: ISO 14021). Examples of this category include construction and demolition debris, materials collected through curbside and drop-off recycling programs, broken pallets (if from a pallet refurbishing company, not a pallet-making company), discarded products (e.g., furniture, cabinetry and decking) and urban maintenance waste (e.g., leaves, grass clippings, tree trimmings, etc.). content for each piece of furniture from the old site? I was able to do this in LEED NC Version 2.2 with success and it seems like "double dipping" now except that the cost of the new furniture is included.
2.) I would think the value of the reused furniture could potentially be subtracted from the Total Project Cost. Your thoughts?
Thanks,
Michelle

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 04 2012 Moderator

Hi Michelle,

The calculations for MRc4 exclude any reused furniture from both the nominator and denominator, so you can't count them toward recycled content, but they don't count against you either. You should NOT deduct them from your Total Project Cost as a separate operation.

If you download the LEEDuser CI Materials Calculator from the Documentation Toolkit tab, you'll see that it does these adjustments for you automatically. 

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severine secret Designer GO2Design Studio
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Wood and recycle content

Is reclaimed wood considered recycled?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 11 2012 Moderator

No, not usually. It may count as material reuse under MRc3, however.

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 04 2012 Moderator

The line between reclaimed and recycled is fuzzy, and can be crossed pretty readily. If you don't have enough reclaimed materials to earn a point in MRc3 (or if you have extra material, after earning a point), you can count them in MRc4 instead.

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severine secret Designer GO2Design Studio
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Furniture Value

When documenting the furniture value of an order for credits MRc4 thru Mrc7, do we include local tax, installation and freight on the total order? The verbiage throws me off as it states all install cost incured by the contractor. Which is not the case for furniture, only the furniture dealership cost is relevant.

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Holly Himes
Nov 30 2011
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Material Values

On the IDC Materials Calculator download from LEED-online states in footnote 2 that material value must "include all expenses to deliver the material to the project site, including taxes and delivery costs..."
I assume that means any freight and/or delivery we are charged on furniture and materials as well as State Sales tax. Please confirm this is accurate. Thanks!

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 19 2011 Moderator

Hi Holly, That language is right out of the LEED ID&C Reference Guide (page 245 at the bottom, in my 2009 edition). So I don't see any reason to question it. Yes, it would include freight and state sales tax.

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Susie Spivey Director of Sustainable Design tvsdesign
Nov 17 2011
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LEED CI Retail - Restaurant Kitchen Equipment

We are doing the MRc4 and MRc5 calcs for a restaurant i that is using the LEED CI 2009 Retail rating system.

It is not clear to us whether or not we have to use the kitchen equipment costs in the overall project budget to determine if all qualifying products for MRc4 or MRc5 meet the 10%/20% threshold. The Retail supplement doesn't address this and the Interpretations and Addenda Database doesn't address either .

It seems to me that, like with MEP equipment, it would be excluded b/c it greatly increases the numerator/denominator and those types of products are not really made from recyclable materials. Seems like including it would make it impossible for a CI retail restaurant to get MRc4 or 5. Thoughts?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 20 2011 Moderator

Susie, I am less familiar with CI than NC, but my understanding from the Reference Guide is that MEP is not excluded from CI as it is from BD&C systems—is that correct? If so then this seems to be consistent.

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Lauren Fakhoury Research Assistant Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC
Oct 28 2011
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Furniture Upholstery

How does furniture upholstery fabric selection play into recycled content and any other miscellaneous credits? How do you document fabric/upholstery for furniture that has recycled content or regional content; is it a separate line item?

Thanks

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Oct 30 2011 Moderator

Lauren, if it is purchased separately and you have separate documentation for it, I think making it its own item would be fine. Alternatively, if it is included in the cost of the furniture, then you could treat the furniture as an assembly with an appopriate percentage of compliant material. For more on the assembly approach, see the Checklists tab above.

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ZEB Tech singapore ESD Consultancy ZEB-Technology Pte Ltd
Oct 03 2011
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Glass partition system with aluminium frames

We are using an interior partition system which includes aluminium frames and glass partitions.The aluminium frames have recycled content but according to the CSI masterformat list do we need to include recycled content for the partition glass? The master format mentions glass doors , sliding galssdoors, shopfronts etc. but does not mention glass partitions unless it is reinforced or decorative.

Please help.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 21 2011 Moderator

I'm sure that there must be a MF designation for glass partitions, or the equivalent, no?

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Dec 19 2011 Guest 1312 Thumbs Up

Usually glass is in Div 8 (around 08 40 00 area) and it maybe included as part of an assembly.

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elizabeth warlop
Sep 30 2011
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PDF Template Question

Hello,
I may have a question similar to above. In regards to the costs that get included in table L-3 CSI Divisions 3-10 as well as Table L-4 CSI Division 12.
AM I correct to assume that the totals in the table according to LEED should be the same as the totals that have been quoted above where we listed the 'actual material costs' at the tops of each sheet?
Thank you very much for any help you can give on this.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 21 2011 Moderator

Elizabeth, the costs should be consistent, yes—provivded I have understood your question properly.

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Méabh Browne
Sep 07 2011
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Recycled Content/Certified Wood

Hi,
I'm working on LEED CI project, which has used products such as panels which are made of steel (20%) which has reycled content (50%) and particle board (80%) which is FSCIndependent, third-party verification that forest products are produced and sold based on a set of criteria for forest management and chain-of-custody controls developed by the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), an international nonprofit organization. FSC criteria for certifying forests around the world address forest management, legal issues, indigenous rights, labor rights, multiple benefits, and environmental impacts. certified(100%). I wanted to check if I can use this poduct in both MR c4 and MR c7credits?
Thanks

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Sep 07 2011 Moderator

Méabh, you can use this content for MRc4, for only "new wood" is applicable to MRc7, not recycled wood.

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Méabh Browne Sep 14 2011 Member 33 Thumbs Up

Thanks Tristan, but my query is regarding a product(panel) that is made of new wood and steel. The new wood in the panel has FSCIndependent, third-party verification that forest products are produced and sold based on a set of criteria for forest management and chain-of-custody controls developed by the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), an international nonprofit organization. FSC criteria for certifying forests around the world address forest management, legal issues, indigenous rights, labor rights, multiple benefits, and environmental impacts.-certified board at its core. The steel casing part of the panel has reycled content in it. Can this product contribute to both credits?
Thanks

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Sep 14 2011 Guest 1312 Thumbs Up

Yes but the only the percentage by weight of the wood will count towards MRcc7. See the equation on pg 397 of the Reference Guide.

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Méabh Browne Sep 15 2011 Member 33 Thumbs Up

Thanks for the clarification Susan, my confusion arose from the birds eye view description for this credit where is says "Materials used to earn this credit cannot also be counted for MRc3: Materials Reuse, nor for MRc7: Certified WoodWood from a source that has been determined, through a certification process, to meet stated ecological and other criteria. There are numerous forest certification programs in general use based on several standards, but only the Forest Stewardship Council's standards, which include requirements that the wood be tracked through its chain-of-custody, can be used to qualify wood for a point in the LEED Rating System.,"

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Kimberly Cullinane
Aug 25 2011
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General LEED-CI question

I am working with a client that is looking at multiple new spaces in multiple locations. Some of the new spaces will be leased spaces, but we do not know yet to what extent they will need to modify these spaces to suit their needs because we have not identified these spaces yet. Depending on the spaces they select, they may need to do a quite a bit of design/construction or only a small amount. Let's say, for example, our client keeps all existing walls in place, does minimal repainting, and keeps existing flooring. Can they still get the space certified to LEED-CI standards, and if so, what is included in terms of materials for LEED-CI purposes? Do we just include the items we are purchasing for our project? Or do we need to go back to the landlord and find out what kind of paint is already on the walls, the recycled content of existing flooring, etc? I apologize if this question is too elementary...

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Susann Geithner Director of Sustainability, HSB Architects & Engineers Aug 25 2011 Guest Expert 2036 Thumbs Up

Your LEED project boundary will be the complete lease or owned space in any case. If you are keeping walls than you can benefit from that under MR 1.2. If you demo and rebuilt than you probably look for recycled content in the products. In regards to how much you will have to change, there is no official rule that I know i=off. But judging form the new LEED minimum project requirements I would say if 50% of the space or materials get remodeled, changed or refurbished (this includes furniture) than you can probably apply for LEED. I hope that helps to answer your question.

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Santhosh Manavalan
Aug 11 2011
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Filling the Master format template

LEED CI 2009 template is asking us to divide the material cost of the project into two CSI Master format 03-10, 31 & 32; & CSI Master format 12. Could anyone explain me the foll:
1. Is it right to include the wood consumed for making the cabinets in Master format 12?
2.Which list to include flooring (wood, stone, tile & carpet)
3. Which to include glass?
4. Project has used cement, sand & gravel for interior finishes, which list to include this?
5. In which list to include paints, adhesives, sealants?

Thanks for your time.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Sep 03 2011 Moderator

Hi Santhosh, have you been able to make good guesses on these questions? For this forum, it would be great if you can highlight any specific areas of difficulty and note why you are having difficulty, so that we can help you in targeted ways.

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Kris Phillips
Jun 09 2011
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What to include for Division 12 products?

I am trying to calculate the total cost for CSI 2004 Division 12 products on my project. The owner has purchased many pieces of furniture, furnishings and miscellaneous items. At this point, I'm not sure how practical it is for me to find everything the owner purchased to get an accurate material cost for this and the other MR credits. My initial thought is to make my best guess by including the big costs (workstations, files & storage, tables, chairs, task light--items associated with the workstation ) and guess how much smaller items, like some artwork and plants, collaboration seating and conference room furniture cost.

Also, is there some kind of rule of thumb “cut-off” date to use with Division 12 products? It seems like the owner continues to make purchases after construction is complete that would fit into Division 12.

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Jun 10 2011 Guest 1312 Thumbs Up

Kris, I've never worked with an Owner who wasn't painfully aware of how much money they were spending on a building project. Someone at the company has signed the checks and knows the answer to your first question. Get your PM involved to get you into the right person. For your second question, I would use what is installed at either Substantial Completion or on the first day of Occupancy unless there is a compelling reason to include something that is delayed.

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Sandra Eremic Architect GGA
May 11 2011
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Missing LEED information for some items

There are a few items in my project for which LEED information is not available - like desk lamps, desk pads, hangers, coasters, even some fabrics. Can I still submitt for the credits? My guess would be to subrtract the cost of those items from the overall cost, but wanted to check first if that's the right approach. Very urgent - Thank you.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 20 2011 Moderator

Sandra, any material for which you don't have recycled content or other information would simply be assumed to be noncompliant, so would count toward you total materials cost, but not toward the LEED-compliant portion.

Does that make sense?

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severine secret Designer GO2Design Studio
Apr 30 2011
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Furniture & Pillows

Do we need to list pillows? or are they considered accessories?

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 02 2011 Moderator

It's possible that could make a case for including them if that helps you earn certain credits, but you'd have to work to make that case. I certainly wouldn't say that you "need" to include them.

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Jennifer Berthelot-Jelovic Director of Sustainability Shangri-La Construction
Apr 07 2011
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Do Adhesives, Sealants, etc. need to be included?

Do Adhesives, Sealants, Paints and Coatings need to be included in Recycled Content and Regional Materials?

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 07 2011 Moderator

Yes, they do.

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Martin O'Donnell Senior PM EDG Creatives
Mar 14 2011
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Free materials

Hi

our company has moved to a new office and we are submitting for LEED gold. However some of our suppliers gave us material for free such as the mineral board ceiling (as we are a design office and often use these vendors).

How do I calculate this material cost or do I disregard it?

Any suggestions....
Thanks Martin

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. Mar 14 2011 Moderator

Hi Martin, At first blush I'd say that the salvaged materials approach would apply here, meaning that you should just assign these products a fair market cost. Anyone have any experience suggesting otherwise?

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Simon .S
Mar 11 2011
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Upload Excel Files

Can we upload a complete excel files with calculation on mrc4 and mrc5?
if i were to fill in the template, i have more than 130 types of items to put it in.
does anyone has experience on this before?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Mar 11 2011 Moderator

Jason, I would avoid doing this if possible. It will generally make your review go smoother if you are using GBCI's tools, rather than your own tool. It means that the reviewer wouldn not only need to evaluate your data, but also orient themselves to and evaluate your spreadsheet. I think you CAN do it, I would simply avoid it if possible.

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Michael Smithing Director - Green Building Advisory, Colliers International Aug 11 2011 Member 52 Thumbs Up

The IDC Materials and Resource Calculator (June 2011) which I downloaded from LEED Online has a macro problem when I add a new material line. The macro is not able to copy the formulas to calculate the sustainable Criteria Values as the cells are protected (and of course I can't either.) Thus, the sheet does not calculate the Percent of Total I need to see how we are doing. Has anyone else seen this problem?

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Marie Mihalik HOK
Feb 15 2011
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No Furniture in project scope

Can this credit, or MRc5, be attempted without CSI Division 12 Materials Cost or Furniture items included? The Furniture was not in the Architect's or the Contractor's scope of work.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 15 2011 Moderator

Marie, furniture is supposed to be included according to the credit requirements. Can you clarify what you mean about the scope of work? LEED applies to the whole project scope of work, not just the Architect's or Contractor's parts of it.

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Michelle Lambert Green Building Consultant and Educator Independent Contractor
Feb 03 2011
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Examples of pre-consumer recycled content exclusions

The given definition of "pre-consumer" recycled content per LEED is "material diverted from the waste stream during a manufacturing process. Excluded from this category is reutilization of materials such as scrap that are generated in a process and capable of being reclaimed within the same process."

Can someone provide an example of a process that would be allowed and a process that would be excluded? I have been noticing more manufacturers reducing their pre-consumer recycled content and stating this rule, and I am curious as to how to understand the difference between what counts and what doesn't.

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 04 2011 Moderator

Hi Michelle,

Valid pre-consumer content includes aluminum scraps from a curtainwall manufacturer, sent back to a smelter to make new aluminum, or waste wood fiber from a sawmill used to make MDFMedium-density fiberboard (MDF): Panel product used in cabinets and furniture; generally made from wood fiber glued together with binder; similar to particleboard, but with finer texture, offering more precise finishing. Most MDF is made with formaldehyde-emitting urea-formaldehyde binder..

Classic examples of internally reused scrap that does NOT qualify as pre-consumer recycled content are:

  • steel manufacturering scraps generated within a steel mill and remelted to make new steel within that same mill (as opposed to scraps generated at a factory that makes steel studs, sent back to the steel mill--those WOULD qualify);
  • float glass (used to make windows) that comes off the end of a line off-spec or otherwise imperfect, and is remelted in that factory to make new glass.

If you're a BuildingGreen Suite member or subscriber to Environmental Building News you can find a lot more details on this in the article "Recycled Content:
What is it and What is it Worth?
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Strada A
Jan 13 2011
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MR 4/5 supporting data question

LEED Online v3 requires product cut-sheets to be uploaded for at least 20% of the materials based on $ value.

We have a CI project that has both significant construction materials and significant amounts of furniture. The documentation I have from the furniture manufacturers is clean and easy to read compared to the multitude of info I have for the raw construction materials.

Is it okay to upload cut-sheets for the furniture only? In doing so, I can easily provide data for more than 50% of the total materials value. The online template doesn't seem to notice the difference. Just thought I'd ask here before marking the credits complete.

Thoughts?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 20 2011 Moderator

Yes, I would say that's fine. I would just keep the other info handy in case the  reviewer asks for it.

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qi zhang BIMChina
Dec 24 2010
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new furniture from reclaimed wood

dears,
recently in my project I meet a problem. The owner ordered some tables and desk made from reclaimed wood.
Now I am confused the reclaimed wood can apply for MR C3.1, MR C3.2 or MR C4?
Please give me a help.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 28 2010 Moderator

Reclaimed wood falls under MRc3.2, since it is reused but not recycled through a manufacturing process.

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Sara Neff Director, Sustainability Programs, Kilroy Realty Corporation Apr 29 2011 Member 174 Thumbs Up

Doesn't it matter what the wood was reclaimed from? For example, if it came from piece of wood left behind after logging, wouldn't this be reclaimed since the 'logging' is a process that's part of wood manufacturing? But, if a tree fell over in a storm and that was used in a table, that wouldn't be considered recycled because it never went through a process of any sort. I don't understand where the line is drawn.

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 02 2011 Moderator

Hi Sara, You're right, it does matter where the wood came from. And the terminology is a bit tricky, especially when it comes to wood. 

The forest products industry sometimes uses the term "reclaimed" wood for logging leftovers, but LEED doesn't consider that reused or recycled. It's important to leave some "slash" in the forest for ecological reasons, so if that were allowed it would be hard to know where to draw the line. 

And, as you suggest, storm-cleanup wood also doesn't count as reused or recycled. For wood fiber to count as recycled  it has to come from and end-use (post-consumerWaste material generated by households or by commercial, industrial and institutional facilities in their role as end-users of the product, which can no longer be used for its intended purpose. This includes returns of materials from the distribution chain (source: ISO 14021). Examples of this category include construction and demolition debris, materials collected through curbside and drop-off recycling programs, broken pallets (if from a pallet refurbishing company, not a pallet-making company), discarded products (e.g., furniture, cabinetry and decking) and urban maintenance waste (e.g., leaves, grass clippings, tree trimmings, etc.).) or a manufacturing process that is further along the chain than the harvesting step (pre-consumer). 

For wood to count as reused for MR credit 3, it has to be in pretty much it's original form (some resurfacing is allowed) and from material that was previously used as a product or building.

There is more about this in the details on this credit available to LEEDuser members.

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Lucy Williams Principal Lucy C. Williams, Architect
Oct 29 2010
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Sustainable Criteria Value

I am noticing on the MR4 template, there is a row at the bottom, indicating sustaianble criteria value. There is no mention of this in the reference guide, and I am wondering what this is and how it will impact the calculations?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Oct 29 2010 Moderator

Lucy, this line is another way of saying "Total."

In other words, all the MRc4–7 "sustainable criteria" are entered together on that same table. The bottom row totals each one of them up.

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Ryan Fairchild Engineer Facility Strategies Group
Sep 09 2010
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Blinds

We are doing a commercial interiors project, however the interior is a more residential style. We are in the process of finding blinds that meet MR Credit 4, Recycled content criteria. Does anyone know of any products that meet this and are in the price range of typical residential blinds. We are having trouble finding LEED product data for residential blinds.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Sep 10 2010 Moderator

Ryan, you may already be on top of this, but I think it's important to reframe this question a little bit. There is no such thing as a product that meets the MRc4 criteria. What you are looking for is for your materials budget as a whole to have enough recycled content to meet the credit thresholds. It's possible and likely that many purchases will have zero verifiable recycled content, but they're balanced by purchases that do. If you read our advice above under the Bird's Eye View and Checklists tabs, we have some tips on how to do this—focusing on big-ticket items, for example.

That being said, I can't recommend specific blinds that have high recycled content. From a  Google search for "recycled content blinds," however, it looks like there are a bunch out there.

Is this helpful?

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kelvin duen
Aug 13 2010
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do fire extinguishers and the

do fire extinguishers and the cabinets that hold them count towards the materials credit? When I tried getting information from the contractor responsible for these he told me the extinguishers and cabinets are considered to be equpiment. is this true?

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Anne Nicklin Executive Director, Building Materials Reuse Association Aug 16 2010 Guest Expert 645 Thumbs Up

Hi Kevin,
This a great question- at first I assumed that fire extinguisher cabinets would be included in CSI division 21 "Fire Suppression." As it turns out- your contractor is right, and fire extinguishers and cabinets do fall under CSI division 10 "Specialties".
Thus, the cost of both the portable extinguishers and cabinets must be included in the MRc3-7 calculations.

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Patrick Moore GBD Architects, Inc
Aug 03 2010
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Letter Templates Not Transferring

Has anyone had issues with information you enter on the Recycled Content letter templates not automatically populating on Rapidly RenewableTerm describing a natural material that is grown and harvested on a relatively short-rotation cycle (defined by the LEED rating system to be ten years or less)., Certified WoodWood from a source that has been determined, through a certification process, to meet stated ecological and other criteria. There are numerous forest certification programs in general use based on several standards, but only the Forest Stewardship Council's standards, which include requirements that the wood be tracked through its chain-of-custody, can be used to qualify wood for a point in the LEED Rating System., etc? I thought the point of the new letter templates was to simplify this, but our info is not transferring across the various MR credits. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Aug 04 2010 Moderator

Just checking the obvious—you're using LEED Online v3, for a LEED 2009 project?

I haven't had this problem, but could check around.

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Patrick Moore GBD Architects, Inc Aug 04 2010 Guest 153 Thumbs Up

Yes, LEED CI 2009 project on the new leedonline.com.
The MR credit forms I'm referring to have "BETA" written across the bottom of them.

Our contractor brought the issue to our attention (after getting really frustrated). To verify the problem, I tried inputting some numbers on MRc4, saved the form, and went to MRc5,6 and 7. Sure enough, none of the material information I had entered appeared on these forms. Went back to MRc4 and the data was still there, though.

Has the materials data transferred properly between MR credits for others?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Aug 04 2010 Moderator

Patrick, the MR forms were updated as recently as May 2010, and are no longer in Beta. Use the feedback form on LEED Online to ask USGBC to update your project's forms. Hopefully this will fix the problem.

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Erica Godun Aug 09 2010 Guest 20 Thumbs Up

Hopefully the LEED Online people will tell you that any data that has been entered on the forms when they are updated will be deleted with the update. What they won't tell you is the re-entry process is extremely slow as the data populates the other forms.

You have to do the update if you are submitting for the Recycled Content credits because the Beta form doesn't calculate properly.

Also, unless there has been another update in the past month, you need to put a number in every box in the column for MRc4. If there is no recycled content in a line item you still need to put a zero or the form won't calculate. The delay in data entry makes this particularly painful. Fortunately, this seems to be the only of the linked credits that requires the zeros.

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Lorey Flick
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Mechanical Insulation

Are all components of Division 14-17 ommitted from this calculation?

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EMILY KANAREK Apr 28 2010 Guest 55 Thumbs Up

I've been looking for this everywhere and I can't find the answer.

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Nadav Malin USGBC LEED Faculty, President, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 28 2010 Moderator

What types of products or materials are you concerned about? MasterFormat 2004, which is the framework that defines the Divisions, doesn't use Divisions 15-19.

Division 14 is mostly "appliances and equipment", which are excluded per the Reference Guide.

If you're thinking of Divisions 15 (plumbing and mechanical) and 16 (electrical) from the old MasterFormat 1995, all that is excluded as well.

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Santhosh Manavalan Aug 11 2011 Guest 79 Thumbs Up

LEED CI 2009 template is asking us to divide the material cost of the project into two CSI Master format 03-10, 31 & 32; & CSI Master format 12. Could anyone explain me the foll:
1. Is it right to include the wood consumed for making the cabinets in Master format 12?
2.Which list to include flooring (wood, stone, tile & carpet)
3. Which to include glass?
4. Project has used cement, sand & gravel for interior finishes, which list to include this?
5. In which list to include paints, adhesives, sealants?

Thanks for your time.

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