CS 2009 EAc4: Enhanced Refrigerant Management

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    This credit can be fairly difficult to understand at a glance. So let’s start by getting some common misconceptions out of the way.

    One common misconception is that this credit specifies or prohibits a certain refrigerant type. That was true in early versions of LEED (and is still the case in the prerequisite, EAp3). For this credit, there are both HCFCsHydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs) are refrigerants that cause significantly less depletion of the stratospheric ozone layer than chlorofluorocarbons. (hydrochlorofluorocarbons) and HFCs (hydrofluorocarbons...

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BH .
Aug 25 2011
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Sample Form Problem

Applying values to "Refrigerant Impact Calculaton" chart, we have final impact per tone equal to 100 for each device. "average refrigerant impact per ton (must be less than or equal to 100)" is 100. Even than we can get 2 points in summary (all other areas are correct and checked).

DId some of you had such a problem? Should we describe it in "special circumstances" of sample form?

Thanks.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 21 2011 Moderator

BH, I would try upgrading to the most recent v4 form.

Also, are you using the actual LEED Online form for documentation, or the sample form? The sample form is just for informational purposes.

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Maria Porter Environmental Certification Engineer, Skanska Sweden Jan 25 2012 Member 62 Thumbs Up

Hi BH
I just ran in to the same problem I think. Although everything is filled out correctly in the version 4 form and the value is well under 100 the number of credits earned still remains zero. I have done this credit before and I'm confident nothing is missing. So as Tristan says above I am going to try the feedback form online and see if there is a better version of it.
Maria

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Jan 25 2012 Moderator

Make sure that under credit information, you have checked the number of points you're trying to earn (assuming that option is available on this credit.)

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Maria Porter Environmental Certification Engineer, Skanska Sweden Jan 26 2012 Member 62 Thumbs Up

No sorry, it's a 2 or nothing credit. Nothing to check.

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Jan 26 2012 Moderator

Alright, well it was worth a shot. You should submit feedback. In addition I would call GBCI and have them open the form to see if they can reproduce the issue. It's nice to know that it's not just your machine. They will also document the interaction which is helpful when you get a response to your feedback message.

Good luck!

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Yolanda Sanchez Arch. CB Richard Ellis
Jul 11 2011
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HVAC System

HVAC for the whole building is in the process of being designed (VRF system). We would like to know if the system can be installed in 2 stages, but we would like to submit the LEED certification after stage 1 is completed. Is this a valid approach for LEED CS 2009? Could this stepped approach in installing the HVAC System compromise the certification?
• The first stage comprises all piping and HVAC preparations for the whole building, but HVAC equipment would be initially installed only in the areas to be occupied by the owner of the project. This would happen before full occupation and appropriate commissioning tests are conducted.
• The second stage of the project is to install HVAC units on the tenants’ spaces as they occupy their rented areas.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 21 2011 Moderator

Yolanda, your description seems consistent with how a typical CS HVAC system might be installed, and seems consistent with the credit requirements. You do need to require the use of certain systems in your tenant lease agreements to qualify for the credit, however.

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Joaquim Lima
Apr 13 2011
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Please, How to calculate the

Please,

How to calculate the Refrigerant Charge??

Thanks!

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 22 2011 Moderator

Joaquim, I would consult the manufacturer, and/or check the nameplate on the HVAC unit.

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John Albrecht Senior Sustainability Specialist NELSON
Mar 28 2011
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leakage rate

I was told that "the USGBC changed the way they force manufacturer's to calculate their refrigerant amounts within the last year. The biggest change has been the leakage percentage. Where this manufacturer had used 0.73% in the past based off of their own studies of their equipment, the USGBC now requires every manufacturer to use 2% which obviously increases the refrigerant amount. Combine this with the mandated minimum efficiencies which forces everyone to use larger condenser coils, and no manufacturer meets the USGBC refrigerant requirements."

Is this true and IS the bar for compliance set that high in LEED 2009?

Thanks, John

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Daniel LeBlanc Senior Sustainability Manager, YR&G May 11 2011 Guest Expert 86 Thumbs Up

John,

This is true for v2.2 projects registered after April 30, 2009, but not true for LEED 2009. The default leakage rateThe speed at which an appliance loses refrigerant, measured between refrigerant charges or over 12 months, whichever is shorter. The leakage rate is expressed in terms of the percentage of the appliance's full charge that would be lost over a 12-month period if the rate stabilized. (EPA Clean Air Act, Title VI, Rule 608). is still 2%, but according to the Reference Guide, "Applicants may use alternative values for refrigerant leakage rate...provided the alternative values are approved by the USGBC."

When using alternative values in the calculations, they ask for documentation of the Manufacturer's test data; leak detection equipment; preventative maintenance program to minimize leakage; and a program to recover/recycle the refrigerant at the end of life.

So if you have the manufacturer leakage rate and the other components in place, you should be able to use an alternative leakage rate as long as it is accepted by the reviewer.

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John Albrecht Senior Sustainability Specialist, NELSON Jun 02 2011 Member 723 Thumbs Up

Daniel thanks. Our preferred RTU manufacturer is asking if there is a set process for pre-approval of alternate leakage rates by the USGBC, or is this 'approval' done on a project by project alternative basis during certification? Or could one project's credit success via an alternative compliance path and leakage rate constitute 'approval' for subsequent projects? Thanks for any guidance. John

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Daniel LeBlanc Senior Sustainability Manager, YR&G Jun 02 2011 Guest Expert 86 Thumbs Up

John,

For 2009, there is no pre-approval process and approvals are on a project by project basis. As you said, you would submit the documentation along with your design or construction submittal as an alternative compliance path.

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Sara Neff Director, Sustainability Programs Kilroy Realty Corporation
Dec 09 2010
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Average Maximum Refrigerant Charge, or Charge per Unit?

I am having trouble understanding the allowable amount of refrigerant charge if I have multiple chillers and would like to pursue EA Credit 4. According to the reference guide, "Most projects have multiple units of base building NVAC&R equipment, but if each unit is compliant, the project as a whole meets the requirement." What happens if I have two units, only one of which is compliant on its own, but if the two units are averaged together, then they're compliant? Or, more simply, I am I allowed to use the average, or does one chiller with too much refrigerant charge make me ineligible for this credit?

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Scott DeGaro Sustainability Administrator, Barge Waggoner Sumner & Cannon, Inc. Dec 09 2010 Guest 206 Thumbs Up

The calculations are the weighted average refrigerant impact of all pieces of equipment. So if one unit is compliant and one isn't, but their weighted average is compliant than your project is compliant.

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Sara Neff Director, Sustainability Programs, Kilroy Realty Corporation Dec 09 2010 Member 168 Thumbs Up

Thanks very much, this is extremely helpful.

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