EBOM 2009 MRc5: Sustainable Purchasing—Food

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    This credit requires your project to demonstrate that at least 25% (by cost) of food and beverage purchases during the performance period meet any of the following standards and criteria:

    • Harvested and produced within a 100-mile radius of the site
    • USDA Certified Organic
    • Food Alliance Certified
    • Rainforest Alliance Certified
    • Protected Harvest Certified
    • Fair Trade
    • Marine Stewardship Council’s Eco-Label

    You can double the value of a purchase in your credit calculations if it meets one of the sustainability standards and is regionally harvested. Projects located in regions with significant agricultural activity may have an easier time meeting the credit requirements using the regional option.

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Iñigo Aizpuru
Jan 23 2012
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MRc5 for a convention hall with two restaurants

Hi, we are analyzing the feasibility of obtaining an EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. Certificate for a Convention Hall in Spain. In the Hall there are lots of meeting rooms to be rented and 2 restaurants. Regarding this credit, we understand that obviously food purchased by the restaurants should be included. However, I am not so sure if we should include the catering services that are widely used for meeting rooms. In this second case, the food is brought into the building already prepared, and the Convention Hall has no control over it (I mean, it is not purchased by any company located in the Convention Hall, but purchased by the company who rents the room to hold the convention/meeting).

Apart from that I would also appreciate if you could explain how 100-mile radius purchase can be proven.

Thank you!

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Jan 23 2012 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

The food purchased by the business renting the convention space is included in the scope of the project. The LEED EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. Reference Guide makes it clear on page 294 that purchases from multiple tenants are included in the scope of the credit – while the businesses renting space may be doing so on a very short term basis, they are still purchasing food and beverages for use on the site. With that said, I understand that it would be very difficult to track these purchases (and all of the sustainability criteria details) as the purchases are not controlled by the owner/manager of the facility. On page 294, there is also guidance for excluding up to 10% of the project buildings total floor area, which gives you some leeway as you consider how to treat these conference spaces.

To document food harvested and produced within a 100-mile radius, I recommend first establishing the location of the harvest and/or production facility. This can be done via product detail or statement from the manufacturer. Next, I would explicitly show the distance from the harvest and/or production facility to the site by identifying those two locations and the distance between them on a map. Google Maps or Google Earth work well for this sort of measurement.

Best of luck to you!

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Iñigo Aizpuru Jan 23 2012 Guest

thank you very much Natalie. Doesn´t seem like our credit then.

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Dan Ackerstein Principal, Ackerstein Sustainability, LLC Jan 23 2012 Guest Expert 2854 Thumbs Up

I think Natalie's reply on the issue of the outside catering is totally logical and its very likely that GBCI would agree. Certainly a company who brings in an outside catering service for their own functions in their own building must include those purchases in the credit calculation. However, I think there's an interesting counterargument that in this (admittedly rare) situation, the parallel is closer to that of an employee who brings lunch from home. This food purchasing situation is significantly more removed from the situation where a long-term tenant's purchasing choices must be included in purchasing data, because your tenants are by nature extremely short-term (and therefore totally outside the control of the building management, much like the individual food purchases of employees bringing lunch from home). It really falls neatly into the cracks between situations anticipated by the rating system. That being said, I wholly agree that Natalie's conclusion is the safest bet, but if you really had a case to make about purchases outside the catering service purchases, I might be tempted to try it. Of course, the above is based on a presumption on my part that the space-renters are contracting with a wide variety of outside/external caterers, rather than with a single catering service which operates in partnership with the building itself; in the latter instance, Natalie's recommendation is ironclad.

Hope that doesn't muddy the waters,

Dan

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Iñigo Aizpuru Jan 24 2012 Guest

Thanks Dan. That´s an interesting point of view. But I reckon we are dropping this credit, though. Seems like too risky.

Iñigo.

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Andy Rhoades LEEDing Edge Consulting
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Sustainable Food Calculations

Our project does not include any restaurants within the scope of the LEED project boundary, so we are looking to include all catering purchases made by each company, not individuals (our office tower has 3,500+ occupants). Everything has to go through security, so documenting (receipts) should not be a problem. My questions is, how do you identify whether a particular meal choice is fully sustainable or not when it's made up of multiple ingredients?

Example: A pizza uses organic sauce, but the rest of the ingredients are conventional and the caterer may opt to not participate in tracking where each of their ingredients come from. Would you break the cost of that product apart or consider the entire meal meeting the sustainability criteria? When you compare this credit to other similar ones (most commonly found in NC (materials & resources tracking), they account for a percentage of the product to meet a particular standard. (I.e. 10% of PCR + 20% RRM in Carpet tile.)

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Nov 03 2011 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Hi Andy, that is a very good question. I have yet to see any guidance on that issue. I think your suggested approach of % of sustainable ingredients would be a valid approach - perhaps that is worth a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide for your project. As documenting the % of ingredients that meet sustainability criteria will be very time consuming, I recommend performing some preliminary calculations in advance to see if you're likely to meet the 25% threshold. Good luck and let me know how it goes!

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Andy Rhoades LEEDing Edge Consulting Nov 04 2011 Member 90 Thumbs Up

Thank you Natalie. I will keep you posted on the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide response.

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JOHN COOK Campus Sustainability Coordinator University of California Riverside
Jun 22 2011
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Vending Machines

The only food provided in our dormitories, which we are working on getting certified, is through vending machines. We want to achieve this credit and do a pilot program with the vendor to provide organic alternatives. Would it be acceptable to show that at minimum 25% of the total snack cost in the machine are sustainable? Do we need student purchase data or would this be enough?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 01 2011 Moderator

John, I would  guess that this approach would probably not be considered sufficient, because there is no guarantee that the sustainable options are actually purchased proportionately. If you feel it is the only feasible option it may be worth a try, however.

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Nov 03 2011 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

John, I agree with Tristan’s insight above. The scope of the credit includes food and beverage purchases for the entire project building, so purchases made by the residents in the dormitory must be included. As with all other MR credits, you can exclude up to 10% of the project building’s total floor area from the calculation. If you choose to gather purchasing data from residents, follow the instructions in the LEED EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. Reference Guide (pg 294) regarding estimating purchasing data for residents who do not provide purchasing data. Good luck with the vending machine enhancements!

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Lori Winneshiek Sustainability Coordinator Transwestern
Jun 20 2011
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Hosting a Building Event

If a building hosts at least one event where food is served, are they still required to track all their Tenants' purchases or are they able to use only the data from the event to complete the form online to earn this credit?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 01 2011 Moderator

Lori, it is a building-wide credit so you must include tenant purchases as well.

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JOHN COOK Campus Sustainability Coordinator University of California Riverside
May 16 2011
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LEED EBOM Campus Credit?

Looking at the 2010 Application Guide for Multiple Buildings and On-Campus Projects, the guide does not list MRc5 or any Sustainable Purchasing credits as potential campus credits. Since our campus is under one purchasing manager, we would like to apply this to the campus. Is the list at the bottom of the 2010 Application Guide the only campus credits that we can achieve?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 14 2011 Moderator

John, the AGMBC has been revised as of Oct. 31, 2011, so I would re-check what it says on this. But I would assume that it's only okay if it's on the list.

Perhaps the reasoning is that while most of the food consumed at a building might be purchased centrally, there is likely to be food consumed from other sources as well, and that would be unique to the building. But this is just a wild guess.

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Amanda Redmond-Neal
May 06 2011
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scope of eligible foods and beverages

Most of the organizations in my building purchase only the standard office fare by way of foods: coffee, juices, maybe some popcorn. The food purchasing habits of one non-profit, however, are complex enough that I am second-guessing the line that I have drawn between foods that should and shouldn't be included in the scope of this credit.
I assume that business lunches that the company pays for but which take place at a restaurant off site are excluded. And I assume that anything purchased for employees to consume in the office is included. I'm also including food/drink for meetings of the membership. But the organization also leads its members on nature expeditions. During these trips, food is purchased to be prepared at camp and restaurant meals are reimbursed. Should I include the groceries but exclude the restaurant meals? Camp meals don't seem too different from refreshments for member meetings in practice. What would you do?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 24 2011 Moderator

Amanda, I agree with your logic in most of the examples you gave. With the groceries purchased for eating in camp, I am not sure they should be included. Do they enter the building, or are they prepared there? It seems like they need to be related to the building in some way to be eligible.

I think to some extent you can interpret things as you need to, as long as you err on the side of inclusiveness, and overshoot the credit threshold.

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Jutta Berns-Mumbi principal consultant ecocentric cc - green building services
Apr 05 2011
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standards/criteria for non U.S. projects

where our project is located, we are struggling with some of the certification standards: for instance: while we don't have USDA Organic, we have ECOCERT (and other international organic food production standards); we don't have the "Marine Stewardship Council’s Eco-Label" but we have SASSI (Southern African Sustainable Seafood Initiative).

While we are diversifying in the food credit, it would be good to know that we can put forward conscious procurement decisions for food, which is locally produced and certified by international bodies other than LEED referenced certification bodies.

what would be the best course of action for us?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 23 2011 Moderator

These are great questions. USGBC is working to expand LEED to make it work better in non-U.S. situations like this, but at this point I don't know of any firm guidance that would allow you to earn the credit using these standards. You could try to do so, and document why the standards you're using should be allowed, but I'm not sure if there is any guarantee it will work.

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Richard Navarro
Jan 13 2011
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Separate Spreadsheet

Hi,

I just received my comments back from my project, and they are telling me that I need to input all the information into their LEED Online spreadsheet. I normally wouldn't have a problem with that, but I have to input at least 200+ separate unique items, and their online spreadsheet is painfully slow as more and more items are inputted.

I initially input all the information on my own spreadsheet and submitted it open to them so they could see the calculations. I was told by a representative that this was an acceptable way to submit, back before our group submitted. But now it seems its no longer acceptable?

Has anyone gone through this? Any advice?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 20 2011 Moderator

Richard, unfortunate as it is, that is how it is. GBCI does insist that we use their forms, even  when it's a big pain. The only good thing is that USGBC is working to develop tools that will make this easier in the future.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 21 2011 Moderator

Richard, I would also contact GBCI about this, since it's a practical issue with their forms, and since their rep gave you permission for this originally. They might be responsive to a request related to this.

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Simon .S
Dec 21 2010
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Cans or Packed Food

Most restaurant will have inventories on Cans or packed food, especially for tomatoes sources, sweet corns, sausages, etc.

if these food was manufactured within 100miles, will it be possible to contribute weight into this credit?

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Dec 21 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Hi Jason,
If items were produced within 100 miles contribute to the sustainable cost.
Natalie

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Simon .S Dec 21 2010 Member 1540 Thumbs Up

Thanks Natalie, but will it be ok if the source/raw material outside the 100 miles radius?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 28 2010 Moderator

Jason, there is some grey area around this question. See the discussions above.

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Ravi Bajaj Nov 01 2011 Member

I just got a review comment about this on an EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. project, saying that not only does the food need to be extracted and processed within the 100-mile radius, but also the packaging as well. Not sure if this is just my review team, or if this is now official, but we got this review comment. Hope this helps, although I think it might prove as more work.

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Matthew Macko Principal Environmental Building Strategies
Nov 29 2010
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Vending Machine Food

Is it reasonable to need to include Vending Machine Food in this credit?

The food is most likely not going to meet any of this criteria but the real problem is tracking of the costs whether the food is "sustainable" or not... The money spent on food isn't tracked by the client.

If they have vending machines yet purchase all other "morning baked goods" and lunch time gathering type purchases from "sustainable sources" then is it reasonable to estimate the vending machine use, convert and calculate the likelihood of achieving the credit?

Thoughts?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 29 2010 Moderator

In keeping with other LEED-EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. credits where what vendors does matters (like the green cleaning credits), I would say that these purchases should probably be included.

Could the vending machine operator give a monthly sales figure? What are your other ideas for estimating the vending machine purchases?

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Matthew Macko Principal, Environmental Building Strategies Nov 30 2010 Member 201 Thumbs Up

Yeah that was my only idea - get a number/invoice (preferable) from the vending machine company and run with that. Sadly I think that most people completely disregard this credit for bigger projects where vending machines are status quo...

For this project it cannot however be overlook since the nearest food requires driving unless you are into lunch truck meals daily - speaking of that... I need to find out where that lunch truck food comes from!

If others have thoughts I'm curious to know how you've handled this credit.

Thanks Tristan

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Dec 01 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Matthew, I agree that vending machine food is included in the scope of the credit. Using the invoice from the Vendor is the most accurate way to account for the food.

I have seen vending machines that feature "healthy options" including organic products. Hopefully these options become more mainstream.

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deborah lucking
Oct 21 2010
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Bottled water anyone?

We propose adding filters to water faucets in kitchens, pantries, etc in an owner-occupied commercial building, instead of purchasing bottled water. Does anyone have any experience submitting this as a credit? Would it be under this credit? Or MRc1? Or is it an innovation point, if we can demonstrate the savings in fuel and material....
thanks!

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Oct 22 2010 Moderator

I don't see how this contributes to any LEED credits, since it's not about a purchase, and it's not about waste management, except for the best kind, i.e. prevention.

I am also doubtful that it could earn you a point under IOc1. Innovation credits must generally be comprehensive strategies, not just impelementation of a single technology, as you're doing here.

It strikes me as a good thing to do, but as sometimes happens, not something that LEED currently recognizes.

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Geoffrey Tomlinson Vaha Sustainable Energy
Oct 15 2010
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Where's Rainforest Alliance?

This website and the LEED O&M manual list the Rainforest Alliance as an acceptable criteria. However, your tracking form and the LEED online forms do not include Rainforest in the criteria drop down menu. There is also no mention in the addenda about it being dropped. So what is going on here?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Oct 15 2010 Moderator

Good question. I am seeing the same thing. Not sure what's up with that.

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Oct 22 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Geoffrey, That seems like a credit form error. I suggest using the "Feedback" option on the MRc5 main page (right hand side) to send GBCI a message to inquire. In my experience, they respond quickly and resolve issues such as these with updated credit forms.

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Henriette Reich
Oct 01 2010
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Documentation

Hi, I`m working on an office building to gain LEED EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. certification. For me, it is not quite clear how to complete the required documentation. I havent seen product documentation that verifies that the product meets the criteria, besides the labels on the packaging. Is it nessesary to keep the packaging?

Thank you for your help!

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Oct 04 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Good question! The extent of the documentation guidance in the Reference Guide is “retain documentation from product suppliers that verifies that the product(s) is organic or local.”

In the past, I have submitted invoices that indicate the sustainability criteria. Your suggestion of keeping product packaging would work as well – instead of keeping every piece of packaging, I would take a photo (and keep it on file) of the product package for each type of product that meets the criteria. You can submit a photo as documentation support.

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Yun Day Firm Administrator, Shlemmer+Algaze+Associates Nov 02 2010 Member 205 Thumbs Up

I to am a little confused about how to document this credit. We are going to use organic catering to achieve this credit. What specific documentation do I need to get from the caterer? Is "Organic" always "USDA Organic"? If the caterer says their food is organic will they need to prove it and how?

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Nov 02 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Hi Yun,
To satisfy the documentation requirements, Project Teams need to include manufacture information regarding purchases of sustainable food. In the case of a caterer or food vendor, I suggest requesting that they provide product information that confirms that the product is USDA Certified Organic. “Organic” does not always mean USDA Certified Organic, which is the third party standard the credit references.
Hope that helps.

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Richard Navarro
Jul 14 2010
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Sustainable Fish Purchasing

Our client is in the south bayA bay is a component of a standard, rectilinear building design. It is the open area defined by a building element such as columns or a window. Typically, there are multiple identical bays in succession. area of Northern California and are very committed to purchasing local sustainable seafood for their corporate food service program. They feel that it is most responsible to purchase seafood from small local fisheries in the San Francisco Bay Area. They rigorously adhere to the guidelines provided by the Monterey Bat Aquarium. They have found that the Marine Stewardship Council program is more typical of larger commercial fisheries and not available through their sources. We would like to propose the following documentation and process as an alternate compliance path for the the purchase of seafood under MR c5 - Sustainable Purchasing Food.

Here is a description of the program that they follow:

The Monterey Bay Aquarium has established ongoing education for chefs and general consumers of seafood. They have developed a list of seafood items and classified them showing what is sustainable at the time and what is in danger of being overfished.

We follow their "Seafood Watch List" and track our purchases with terms Green, Yellow and Red proceeding the product description in our purchasing system. We then run reports that we call GYR reports each month to track our progress.

In our purchasing system we are very specific in our descriptions to the vendors regarding:
- Origin of product
- Catch Method

Should we do an alternative compliance? CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide? Maybe even an innovation credit?

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Jul 14 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Hi Richard. I suggest comparing the Monterey BayA bay is a component of a standard, rectilinear building design. It is the open area defined by a building element such as columns or a window. Typically, there are multiple identical bays in succession. Aquarium guidelines to the Marine Stewardship Council program to determine the equivalence. If the program is equivalent, submit the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide with the detailed analysis demonstrating such.

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Joseph Orr
Jun 08 2010
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Why does EB have MRc5?

I am sorry to be uninformed but I just got my LEED GA Accreditation and thought how smart am I. Then I started to get acquainted with the LEED certifications of Schools and EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. as my training was mainly in NC. First off, I am shocked at the big differences in each. I now know I'm not as smart as I thought I was and have lots of reading to do. However, I cannot understand what Food has to do with the Sustainability or the Energy Efficiency of a building. It's a people thing, not a building thing. So, If someone could enlighten me or point me to where the reason in in print without buying the reference guide I would greatly appreciate it.

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Jun 08 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

Joseph, fair question. I believe that food production has a significant impact on the environment and human health and wellbeing. That said, I will try and respond from an unbiased perspective. The triple bottom line (people, planet, profit) is at the core of USGBC’s intent to reduce the impact of the built environment on the planet and global population. The inclusion of food purchases in the LEED EB rating system is consistent with the inclusion of purchases of other consumable products: paper, electronics, FSCIndependent, third-party verification that forest products are produced and sold based on a set of criteria for forest management and chain-of-custody controls developed by the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), an international nonprofit organization. FSC criteria for certifying forests around the world address forest management, legal issues, indigenous rights, labor rights, multiple benefits, and environmental impacts. Certified woodWood from a source that has been determined, through a certification process, to meet stated ecological and other criteria. There are numerous forest certification programs in general use based on several standards, but only the Forest Stewardship Council's standards, which include requirements that the wood be tracked through its chain-of-custody, can be used to qualify wood for a point in the LEED Rating System., etc. Purchases are included because of the impact of production on the environment in terms of depletion of natural resources (and the implicit social impact). Food is like all other products, the growth/harvest/production places a burden on the environment – land for growth, energy for production, carbon emissions for transportation, not to mention the effect of manufacturing byproducts in terms of pollution.

I agree with you, sustainable food purchasing is not a building thing – it is a people and environment thing. The choices made in the building impact the people and the environment.

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Joseph Orr Jun 08 2010 Guest 44 Thumbs Up

Ah! Now I get it. It's really the same as consumable goods except you buy Food instead of Toner and Paper. Thank you so much for clearing that up.

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Reynaldo Castro
Apr 28 2010
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Definition of Sustainable Purchased within a 100 mile radius

A few questions regarding the 100 mile radius purchases.
1. Does it matter if a project purchases their food and beverage products within a 100-mile radius, and that product which is pruduce or manufactured within the 100-mile radius criteria uses other types of bi-products in the production process. Other bi-products which have been havested or produced elsewhere like cherries used for pastries, or flour for making bagels. Does it matter how the pastry or bagel was produced, so long as it was made or manufactured within the 100-mile radius to qualify.
2. Will a letter of certification from the Food and Beverage company or organization who produces or manufactures a product which complies with the 100-mile radius, be sufficient documentation for proof of purchase. Or must a project have to submit, all of the invoices of products produced and manufactured as proof of purchase in order to qualify? Please Advise,
Thank You-Rey

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Bill Amann Apr 29 2010 Member 15 Thumbs Up

I am also curious about this question. If we buy a pizza from a local restaurant, sandwiches at a local deli, or donuts at a nearby Dunkin Donuts... does that count as being produced within a 100-mile radius? The ingredients are probably from all over, but the final product was produced locally. Thanks.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 03 2010 Moderator

I discussed this issue with Dan Ackerstein, one of the LEED-EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. experts who helped LEEDuser develop our EBOM advice.

He said the following:

The pizza example is a tough one but I think the act of uniting the ingredients [as in a local pizza restaurant] isn't 'production' - LEED's intent isn't to award fresh pizza vs frozen pizza. We want cheese, bread and tomato sauce produced locally. If the restaraunt gets frozen pizza's shipped in, it's clearly not local.

MRc5 is still hazy in a lot of ways - sort of an experiment. But I think for  folks pursuing this, its got to be about produce and protein.

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Oscar Enguita thecnician, lavola May 06 2010 Guest 40 Thumbs Up

Hello, we are certifying our company building in Spain. Are the spanish ecological certified labels valid for this credit?
Thanks in advance.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 06 2010 Moderator

Oscar, we have been having a similar conversation about cleaning products on the IEQc3.3 forum.

The Spanish labels could be valid, but you would have to demonstrate that they are. As Shira Normal said on the IEQc3.3 forum:

I'd recommend submitting with the European products, providing tons of
supporting documentation verifying the sustainable characteristics of
the products and demonstrating the rigorous testing required for
products to earn the European eco labels. Also, submit any documentation
available illustrating how these labeling systems are comparable to or
more rigorous than the accepted American standards.

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Pamela Logan Senior Property Manager, Stream Realty Partners May 13 2010 Guest 16 Thumbs Up

We are planning to have a tenant event this summer during our performance period. Are we eligible for this credit if we were to provide all locally grown/organic produce to the tenants during that event?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 13 2010 Moderator

Yes, an event like this is enough to make you eligible for the credit.

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Reynaldo Castro
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Ice

Also, we purchase Ice instead of making it ourselves. For LEED purposes, do we need to track our ice purchases for this credit?

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Reynaldo Castro Apr 23 2010 Member 548 Thumbs Up

I haven't recieved any comment or feedback regarding Ice as part of Food & Beverage purchasing. I would like to also add this comment as part of my inquiry. Ice is considered food and beverage by the health department because it is served in drinks. For this reason it must be handled lawfully and carefully as a food item.

Please Advise

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 24 2010 Moderator

Rey, I don't have specific experience with ice being tracked as a food and beverage purchase, but it seems like you have answered your own question. If it's considered food and beverage in your project building, purchases should probably be tracked for the purposes of this credit. I am also guessing it's likely the ice will be made locally and will thus help you earn the credit.

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Reynaldo Castro
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Performance Period

Hello I'm working on trying to achieve 25% sustainable purchasing. However, I'm still a little confused about what is supose to be the official Performance Period, considering we are trying to Re-certify under the LEED-EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. V3 2009 version. Because its considered a new Credit do we start the minimum 3 month evalution at the start when we first registered to Re-certify. or can the minimum 3 months reflec anytime of the year as long as I have three months worth of data? Please Advise, Thank You ....Rey

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 18 2010 Moderator

Rey, I've checked around and there is simply no reliable answer to this question right now from USGBC.

In the absence of guidance I would suggest a) ask GBCI about it, and/or b) choose a common-sense approach that you can justify.

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Jason Franken Sustainability Consultant, Cannon Design Apr 23 2010 Guest Expert 1983 Thumbs Up

Tristan's right - there is not an established process for setting up recertification performance periods right now. However, I'd recommend that, in the absence of a clear answer, you defer to the most recent published instructions from the LEED EB v2.0 Reference Guide. This would mean that your performance period essentially begins the day after you receive your initial LEED certification. In order to recertify, your performance period must then end within 5 years of that date. If your performance period ends later than 5 years from the initial date of certification, your current project would actually be considered a new project and you'd be required to provide full documentation for all credits.

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John Beeson Chief Mystic in Resident betterENVIRONMENT, LLC
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provide LBS of food products purchased?

I have a vendor that doesn't want to reveal his pre-mark up prices on an existing contract, but will provide the quantities (in lbs) of the different products purchased. LEED wants cost (obviously because some foods weight more than others), but what can I do?

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Dan Ackerstein Principal, Ackerstein Sustainability, LLC Apr 18 2010 Guest Expert 2854 Thumbs Up

Interesting challenge - Two thoughts come to mind: 1. Would it be feasible to use post-mark up prices for all your food items? That would solve this vendors problem, although it may create others elsewhere. 2. If this vendor purchase isn't a huge part of your overall purchasing, I think you could estimate his prices (he or someone in the industry would probably be willing to give you a rough % markup) and explain to the reviewer your process for doing so. If you estimate conservatively and your process for doing so is transparent, the odds of the reviewer agreeing with your approach increase significantly. Good luck with it!

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Mark Bessoudo Green Building Project Associate Halsall Associates Ltd.
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Accounting For Catering

The sample table in the reference guide for this credit has a column for ‘Distance To Site Of Production.’ Please clarify if this means that catering counts as regionally produced even if the food itself does not fulfill any sustainability criteria.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Mar 31 2010 Moderator

Mark, the food being served by the catering company would most certainly be subject to the credit requirements.

Is part of your question about whether the catering labor counts? I am not 100% sure but I would say that like LEED's usual approach with MR credits, you'd have to separate out the cost of the labor and the  cost of the "materials," i.e. food.

If the food is regionally produced, that does count as a sustainability criterion.

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Chris Nixon Manager, Sustainable Solutions BRSC
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Does beer count?

I'm working on a project within 75 miles of the Anheiser Busch brewery. If 25% of their sales are AB products will that count?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Mar 24 2010 Moderator

"Less filling, tastes great, sustainable"?

Yes, you can definitely to do this. Keep in mind that the 25% threshold is or all food and beverage purchases together, so you don't have to buy it all in beer. Beer and local pretzels? Do they make organic beer at that plant? Double credit.

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Chris Nixon Manager, Sustainable Solutions, BRSC Mar 24 2010 Guest 149 Thumbs Up

Thanks Tristan. It's something to think about. I'll work the numbers.

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John Ida President, Urban Works, Inc. Jun 07 2010 Member 276 Thumbs Up

Similarly - we are within 20 miles of the Kona Brewing Company. I noticed some responses below that say "production source" is hazy. the hops are obviously not grown in Hawaii as we don't grow hops, however the beer is definitely brewed locally. Anyone have any ideas? the production is local, but the harvest of the organic materials is not.

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Natalie Bodenhamer Green Building Consultant, CTG Energetics, Inc Jun 08 2010 Guest Expert 324 Thumbs Up

John, as it is unclear whether or not the credit is meant to include the point of harvest, I defer to the Reference Guide: “purchases are produced within a 100-mile radius of the site”. As seen in the discussions below, this does leave room for project teams to consider including food items that are assembled/prepared within a 100-mile radius (sandwich, burrito, etc). As I work through this credit, for those questionable items, I ask: is the item produced OR assembled/prepared within 100-mile radius? If the there are significant resources/processes involved (and they occur locally), the item is produced locally and qualifies. However, if the process is a preparation/collection of ingredients (ex. burrito, sandwich, soup), the item is assembled locally and does not qualify. For instance, in the case of whole bean coffee that is harvested in Colombia (>100 miles) but roasted locally, the majority of the effort involved with the production occurs in Colombia, while the final touch of roasting (although crucial) occurs locally – I would not include this as a local product.

Hopefully in the future, there GBCI provides further clarification. For the time being, this point is left to interpretation.

I welcome thoughts/suggestions from anyone else who has a standard by which to make the distinction.

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