NC-2009 MRc5: Regional Materials

  • NC CS Schools MRc5 Type3 Local Mat Diagram
  • Multiple options for "regional"

    Regional materials are those that are extracted, harvested, and manufactured within a certain distance of your project site.

    How far, exactly? Historically LEED has used a 500-mile radius to define regional products, but that made it difficult or impossible for coastal or remote regions to pursue this credit. A July 2012 LEED addendum added a more flexible approach, and now MRc5 offers two options to LEED 2009 projects:

    • Option 1: The old familiar option, uses a simple 500-mile radius from the site for both extraction and manufacturing distance.
    • Option 2: This new option allows you to do a prorated calculation based on the lower relative impact of shipping materials by rail or water. Calculate a 500 mile (800 km) total travel distance to the project site using a weighted average. Distance by rail can be divided by 3; distance by inland waterway by 2, and distance by sea by 15.

    The Option 2 credit calculation is much more complicated, and finding the necessary information could be a lot of work. It will be a most effective option for projects that really need to earn the credit, and can ideally focus their calculations on a handful "big ticket" items—see below. However, projects can choose either option on a per-product basis, so they don't need to commit to just one or the other.

    Research early and often

    Begin researching products early—this will help ensure that there are sufficient regional materials available to specify. If you delay your research, you run the risk that non-regional materials may be specified and purchased before you find a regional alternative. Use the estimated project budget to keep tabs on your performance against the credit threshold.

    Many projects fail to earn this credit because they wait until all the materials are purchased before doing the credit calculations.

    500-mile radius map, NYCThe 500-mile radius is big enough to cover a lot of ground, but depending on your location, can be tough to work with. Seeing the radius on a map can help quickly assess the product areas where you might have better luck.

    The 500-mile radius is big enough to cover a lot of ground, but depending on your location, can be tough to work with. Seeing the radius on a map can help quickly assess the product areas where you might have better luck.

    “Big ticket” items are just the ticket

    If there are enough materials available in your region, this credit can be very easy to achieve. Focusing on a few more expensive items that can be sourced regionally—like structural steel or concrete, for example—may represent enough value to earn the credit. If you combine these big-ticket items with the requirements of other MR credits, you can earn multiple points for a relatively small number of product selections. This strategy has the benefit of reducing the number of items you need to track and document.

    Finding the origins of your materials

    Often, product manufacturers will get their materials from a wide variety of sources, making extraction location trickier to determine. It can also be challenging to understand how LEED determines the manufacturing locations for materials that are salvaged onsite or reused, those that contain recycled content, or are part of assemblies. Use the chart below to clarify how you should document the manufacturing and extraction location for these materials.

    You can claim recycled content as a regional material, and you don't have to trace it back to its original extraction location. According to the LEED Reference Guide, the extraction point for recycled materials is the location of the raw material prior to the manufacturing of the final building product. That might be the recycling facility, scrapyard, depository, stockpile, or another location where the material was collected and packaged for market purchase before manufacturing. It is not necessary to track the raw material back to its original point of extraction.

    For a product with multiple points of manufacture, the point of manufacture should be listed as the location farthest from the site.

  • FAQs for MRc5

    Why can’t I include mechanical, electrical and plumbing components in this credit? What if I consistently include MEP materials in the calculations for all of the MR credits I’m attempting?

    LEED is very clear that no MEP or specialty items can be counted in the MR credit calculations. There are several reasons for this, including the fact that MEP items are very expensive relative to their weight, and including these materials skews the calculations and performance thresholds achieved. Also, LEED considers the performance of mechanical equipment paramount, and so consideration of these materials really falls under performance based energy and water credits.

    We are pursuing IEQc4.5 as an ID credit. Are we thus required to include the cost of furniture in MRc3–7?

    No. See LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. #3901 for additional information.

    What if different parts of a product are manufactured at different locations?

    All steps of the manufacturing process must be within the required distance in order for the product to qualify. If the product meets this requirement, you must list the manufacture location farthest from the project site as the “manufacture distance” for the material.

    What is the purpose of the newly added Option 2? Can I pursue both options?

    Option 2, which originated as an Alternative Compliance Path for non-U.S. projects, but which is available to all projects, allows a material to come from a farther distance than 500 miles if it reaches the site by more fuel-efficient modes of transportation (ship and rail).

    The two options are available to be used on the basis of an individual product or material, so you can mix and match as needed.

    How do we account for materials using the new Option 2 equation?

    The new equation is embedded in the BD&C Materials and Resource Calculator. The calculator has a spot for materials that comply using the standard 500-mile radius (Option 1), and a spot for those that comply using the weighted average calculation (Option 2). See LEEDuser's Documentation Toolkit tab for a copy of the calculator.

    With steel and aluminum products, why do I often get review comments questioning why my extraction distance is the same as my manufacture distance?

    Unless the manufacture location (steel mill, steel coil producer, aluminum extrusion/fabrication facility, etc.) contains a recycling facility, scrap yard, depository, ore mine, or some kind of collection point on-site, it is very unlikely that the manufacture and extraction distances are the same.

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Schematic Design

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  • Flooring from salvaged woodLook for unique regional resources to help earn this credit, like this wood flooring salvaged from beetle-killed pine, which would help earn this credit in the Colorado region.Early on, research the availability of materials harvested or extracted and manufactured within 500 miles of the project site. Consider resources such as stone quarries, timber resources, agricultural resources, and manufacturing centers. 


  • Denver area 500-mile radiusThe 500-mile radius around a site (Denver shown here), is measured as the crow flies—not the distance that products may actually travel.The 500-mile requirement is measured as a radius around the site “as the crow flies.” In other words, the actual miles and path traveled by the product or material is not as relevant for the calculation.

Design Development

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  • Begin by creating a baseline materials budget. This is the total amount of money that will be spent on building materials. Use the Materials Calculator from the Documentation Toolkit to compile the baseline material list in a way that facilitates adding information on environmental attributes.


  • Your material budget assumptions and material costs should be consistent across MRc3, MRc4, MRc5, MRc6, and MRc7. The LEED Online credit form helps ensure this automatically. 


  • Include in your new wood materials baseline budget the material cost (excluding labor) of all new wood items that apply under CSI Master Spec 2004 Format Divisions 3–10, 31.60 Foundations, 32.10 Paving, 32.30 Site Improvements, and 32.90 Planting. Division 12 Furniture is optional. Mechanical, electrical, plumbing and equipment costs are excluded. (See Resources for Master Spec information.) 


  • Adding Division 12 Furniture to your baseline materials budget for this credit is optional, but must be applied consistently across MRc3, MRc4, MRc5, MRc6, and MRc7. Analyze the baseline material budget to see if adding Division 12 furniture works to the project’s advantage. Generally, if the furniture helps contribute to the above MR credits it is in a project’s interest to take credit for it—however, it may help with some while making others more difficult.


  • Choose one of two options in creating a baseline budget—the default budget, or the actual budget (excluding labor). The default budget method gives you a baseline materials budget as 45% of your total budget, while the actual budget gives you a baseline based on what you actually spend.


  • A default budget is useful if you don’t want to break out the cost of materials and labor separately. You can take the total cost (material plus labor) of all items in the applicable CSI divisions and assume that cost of materials is 45% and labor cost is 55%.


  • The default budget is less time-consuming because the contractor does not have to break out the material and labor costs of items that are not being tracked for LEED credits, allowing the project to focus on tracking only the materials that contribute to LEED credits. You can take the total cost (material plus labor) of all items in the applicable CSI divisions and assume that cost of materials is 45% and labor cost is 55%. However, this option may put the project at a disadvantage in terms of getting full credit for the actual value of materials. 


  • You can alternatively use the actual materials budget (excluding labor) of all materials purchased in the applicable CSI categories.  


  • How do you decide whether to use the actual material budget or the default budget as your baseline? The lower you can get the baseline, the easier it is to purchase enough regional material to reach the credit threshold. For example, a project that is renovating an existing building will have low material costs and high labor costs. It might be better for this project to use the actual budget as the 45% default may bring the baseline too high.


  • How do you know how many regional materials you need to incorporate into your project? Look at the baseline material budget. Determine how much you want to spend on regional materials. Ten percent of the budget cost will give the project one point and 20% will give the project two points. Go through the project’s preliminary budget and identify specific items that are manufactured and harvested/extracted locally. Do these items add up to the amount needed to get one or two points?  


  • Include a cushion for this credit, in case of changes in design and purchasing. For example, if you are counting on points for using 20% regional materials, plan for 30% of your budget to be spent on regional materials to avoid coming up short.


  • Using the estimated budget to integrate regional materials into the design and specs early on can help prevent costly change orders during construction. 


  • Use your estimated budget as a guide throughout the project. Many projects fail to earn this credit because they wait until all the materials are purchased before doing the credit calculations.


  • Focus on “big ticket” items when seeking materials to meet regional purchasing requirements. If you can find regional materials like structural steel and concrete, these more expensive materials will go a long way toward meeting the required percentage of your materials budget. This approach allows you to Iimit the overall number of items you need to track and document, reducing contractor headaches. If these big-ticket items do not get you to the threshold you’re trying to meet, target medium-priced items next until you reach your goal.


  • A single product or material can contribute to multiple credits. For example, a chair made both locally and with recycled materials contributes to MRc5 as well as MRc4. Focusing on products and materials with multiple environmental attributes can also limit the overall number of items that must be tracked. 


  • Product manufacturers may not have extraction information readily available. Allow for time in your process to research this information.


  • The location of final assembly is considered the “manufacturing location.” Extraction locations are determined by the location from which the raw material was sourced. 


  • Products salvaged on site can count the site as the manufacturing and extraction location.


  • Look at product cut sheets and manufacturing data to determine whether a product contains regional materials.


  • Assemblies


  • When a product is made of multiple materials that are manufactured and extracted in different locations, or only part of the product can count as regional, use these special considerations.


  • The cost value for the LEED calculation is determined by weight as a percentage of the total. For example, a $100 piece of casework assembled locally contains 20% wood, and 80% marble, by weight, but only the wood was harvested and manufactured locally. Even though the piece of casework was manufactured and assembled locally, only $20 of the casework would contribute to this credit as being both manufactured and harvested locally.


  • Request that manufacturers provide assembly information broken down by weight. 


  • Salvaged or Reused Material, and Recycled Content


  • Follow special considerations for products that are salvaged or reused or have recycled content.


  • Use the vendor or salvage location in place of the manufacturing location for salvaged, reused, or refurbished materials. Use the location from which the vendor salvaged the material in place of extraction location.


  • If a material is salvaged onsite and reused again onsite, you can count the site as both the manufacturing and extraction location. For example, parking lot concrete might be ground up and reused as infill on the same site.


  • Use replacement costs of salvaged materials (rather than actual costs) for all LEED materials calculations. For example, if you received free filing cabinets from a local office rehab you would use the cost of what you might spend on a filing cabinet if you had to replace the free one. This can work to your advantage, since the cost of used cabinets would probably be lower.


  • You can claim recycled content as a regional material, and you don't have to trace it back to its original extraction location. According to the LEED Reference Guide, the extraction point for recycled materials is the location of the raw material prior to the manufacturing of the final building product. That might be the recycling facility, scrapyard, depository, stockpile, or another location where the material was collected and packaged for market purchase before manufacturing. It is not necessary to track the raw material back to its original point of extraction.


  • The actual budget method can be more time-consuming for the contractor because it requires tracking the actual costs of all materials purchased, even those in the applicable CSI divisions that do not necessarily contribute to LEED credits.


  • Include in your new wood materials baseline budget the material cost (excluding labor) of all new wood items that apply under CSI MasterFormat Divisions 03–10, 31 (31.60.00 Foundations), and 32 (32.10.00, Paving, 32.30.00 Site Improvements, and 32.90.00 Plantings). Division 12 Furniture is optional as long as it is consistently applied across all credits. Mechanical, electrical, plumbing and equipment costs are excluded. (See Resources for Master Spec information.)

Construction Documents

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  • Revisit your baseline materials budget as the design evolves to make sure the numbers remain accurate and that you remain on track to achieve your goal for the credit.


  • Incorporate regional product requirements into individual construction specifications.


  • For guidance and sample specification language for incorporating LEED specifications into construction documents, see MasterSpec, or the Whole Building Design Guide. (See Resources.)


  • Incorporating the LEED requirements directly into the drawings as well as into the specs is a good way to remind the contractor and subcontractors of the requirements. 


  • Analyze the initial cost budget to know what materials the project can target and incorporate LEED requirement language accordingly into construction specs for the specific materials. The contractor will appreciate not having to fill out forms for materials that are not local, or that have so little cost value that it is a waste of time. 


  • Whenever possible, designate in the construction specifications that contractors use specific product manufacturers that you have verified as producers of locally manufactured and extracted items. This will help save research time for the contractors.


  • Include submittal requirements within each targeted construction spec section and add general requirements to the Division 1 bid package. Include a copy of any submittal documents that the contractor may need to fill out.


  • Carefully review manufacturer data. Don’t pay attention to vague claims such as “Our product will give you a regional LEED point” when in truth it will only contribute to the credit. No matter what the manufacturer claims, you’ll still need to ask for manufacturing and extraction locations.

Construction

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  • Preparation Before Construction Begins


  • The general contractor (GC) should be oriented to all LEED construction-related issues, such as IAQ management, low-emitting materials, environmental materials tracking tools, and construction waste management. 


  • LEED documentation and materials tracking are usually the GC’s responsibility even though specific materials selection may have been already determined by the architect or designer.


  • The GC should hold an orientation meeting with the subcontractors to review the LEED responsibilities related specifically to their trades. This exercise helps to build trust and is crucial for obtaining buy-in from all participants in the process.


  • Give the GC and subcontractors the following tools to help them track materials data for all MR and IEQ credits. (See the Documentation Toolkit for access.)

    • Materials Calculator:  This is a master tracking spreadsheet that the GC can use internally to compile product information received from the subcontractors. The spreadsheet tracks LEED values across multiple LEED MR and IEQ credits.
    • Environmental Materials Reporting Form: This is a material tracking form that helps subcontractors record the environmental values for products they purchase. This can be distributed to each trade subcontractor and submitted to the GC for filing. 
    • Low-Emitting Materials Reporting Form: This is a VOC tracking sheet that helps subcontractors record the low-emitting qualities of the products they purchase and can be distributed to each trade subcontractor and submitted to the GC for filing.
    • Low-Emitting Material Limits: These tables, found with each credit here on LEEDuser, summarize the maximum VOC limits for different types of adhesives, sealants, paints, coatings, composite wood, and flooring products. When subcontractors search for low-emitting products, they should consult these charts.

  • Enabling coordination and communication among the GC, subcontractors and design team early in the process can minimize scheduling delays and pushback from subcontractors.


  • For any materials not yet specified, research the availability of additional regional materials before construction begins to ensure that the project earns this credit. If product decisions are made after construction begins, there may be less time to review data sheets carefully and much greater risk of using a noncompliant product. 


  • During Construction


  • The contractor starts gathering and environmental data and cut sheets from subcontractors for approval. 


  • The GC functions as the overall quality assurance provider for this credit. Responsibilities include conducting weekly reviews of subcontractor product submittals and tracking forms.


  • Review subcontractor product suggestions ahead of time to avoid the purchase of inappropriate materials and eliminate the need for costly change orders.  


  • Streamline documentation and research by taking data gathered from subs via the Environmental Materials Reporting Form and transfer it into a master spreadsheet for all the items being tracked for each product across MR and IEQ credits. For example, you may need to ask the millworker for regional information for MRc5, certified wood information for MRc7, and information about adhesives installed on site for IEQc4.1. If one spreadsheet collects all the data, it can streamline your documentation, associated research, and help with quality control. Use the Materials Calculator spreadsheet in the Documentation Toolkit.


  • A master spreadsheet facilitates information collection for subcontractors, giving them a road map of exactly what types of information to collect for each product.  


  • Assign a responsible party to input the subcontractors’ tracking forms into the Materials Calculator (see Documentation Toolkit). A LEED consultant or an administrative assistant in the GC’s office may be the best choice for this role.


  • Breaking out specific materials costs (excluding labor) for construction materials that contribute to LEED credits is a requirement for LEED MR credits. Some subcontractors prefer not to do this because there are always hidden markups in the materials that subcontractors purchase at wholesale. However, you can simply include the product markup when breaking out a product’s material cost from installation and labor costs.


  • Even if you use the default budget method for your baseline material budget, you  have to break out the actual cost of materials you are tracking for LEED.  


  • Transfer all the data collected in the Materials Calculator spreadsheet (see Documentation Toolkit) to the LEED Online form and upload the product cut sheets. 


  • Only a random 20% sampling of product cut sheets need to be uploaded to LEED Online to document this credit.

Operations & Maintenance

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  • Keep a list of sustainable materials used on the project so that operations staff can use these products for future renovations.


  • Develop regional procurement recommendations and incorporate the recommendations into a purchasing policy. This will contribute to EBOM MRp1: Sustainable Purchasing Policy.  

  • USGBC

    Excerpted from LEED 2009 for New Construction and Major Renovations

    MR Credit 5: Regional materials

    1–2 Points

    Intent

    To increase demand for building materials and products that are extracted and manufactured within the region, thereby supporting the use of indigenous resources and reducing the environmental impacts resulting from transportation.

    Requirements

    Use building materials or products that have been extracted, harvested or recovered, as well as manufactured, within a specified distance of the project site for a minimum of 10% or 20%, based on cost, of the total materials value. If only a fraction of a product or material is extracted, harvested, or recovered and manufactured locally, then only that percentage (by weight) must contribute to the regional value. The minimum percentage regional materials for each point threshold is as follows:

    Regional Materials Points
    10% 1
    20% 2


    Option 1

    All building materials or products have been extracted, harvested or recovered, as well as manufactured within a 500 mile (800 kilometer) radius of the project site.

    OR

    Option 2

    Building materials or products shipped by rail or water have been extracted, harvested or recovered, as well as manufactured within a 500 mile (800 kilometer) total travel distance of the project site using a weighted average determined through the following formula:

    (Distance by rail/3) + (Distance by inland waterway/2) + (Distance by sea/15) + (Distance by all other means) ≤ 500 miles [800 kilometers]

    Mechanical, electrical and plumbing components, and specialty items such as elevators and equipment cannot be included in all calculations. Include only materials permanently installed in the project. Furniture may be included if it is included consistently in MR Credit 3: Materials Reuse through MR Credit 7: Certified WoodWood from a source that has been determined, through a certification process, to meet stated ecological and other criteria. There are numerous forest certification programs in general use based on several standards, but only the Forest Stewardship Council's standards, which include requirements that the wood be tracked through its chain-of-custody, can be used to qualify wood for a point in the LEED Rating System..

    Potential Technologies & Strategies

    Establish a project goal for locally sourced materials, and identify materials and material suppliers that can achieve this goal. During construction, ensure that the specified local materials are installed, and quantify the total percentage of local materials installed. Consider a range of environmental, economic and performance attributes when selecting products and materials.

Web Tools

Free Map Tools- radius around a point

This free online tool allows you to draw a 500-mile radius around a point on a map, which can help visualize the Regional Materials boundaries for your  project location, and help you look for sources within those boundaries.


Reclaimed Material Consultant/Broker

PlanetReuse is a nationwide reclaimed construction material broker and consultant company. At no cost to the design team, they match materials with designers, builders and owners to serve LEED efforts, save money, and sustain the planet. They make it easier to use a wide variety of reclaimed materials in new projects as well as help find new projects for building materials being deconstructed, guiding clients through every step of the process.

Technical Guides

Master Spec

Architectural Computer Services, Inc. (ARCOM) offers a free downloadable PDF of the Master Spec divisions. Check this to verify which materials are included in this and other MR credits.


Specifying LEED Requirements Reference Book and CD ROM

This book and CD-ROM from Master Spec offers useful guidance and sample specification language for incorporating LEED specifications into construction documents. (Requires purchase.)

Organizations

Whole Building Design Guide (WBDG) — Federal Green Construction Guide for Specifiers

Support on incorporating LEED requirements into specifications. 

Assemblies Calculator

Many products contain materials with different extraction or harvest locations. Use this spreadsheet to determine how much of the assembly you can count toward the Regional Materials credit. Includes sample calculation.

Materials Calculator

Teams can use this tool to track all materials across various MR and IEQ credits. It helps teams develop a roadmap of what information needs to be tracked for different products. It can also be used early on to create the baseline budget and ensure the products that are being used will apply to the various credit thresholds.

Environmental Materials Reporting Form

This is a materials tracking form that helps subcontractors record the environmental values of products they purchase. This can be distributed to each trade subcontractor and submitted to the GC for filing.

Product Cut Sheets

Manufacturers often highlight regional manufacturing and extraction information in cut sheets and letters, as shown here. In some cases information may be misleading or incomplete, and you'll need to follow up (see annotations on the PDF).

Letter to Contractor for MR and IEQ Credits

Use a letter like this sample to orient the contractor to their responsibilities for all MR and IEQ credits. This letter is an introduction that can be customized for the credits your project is pursuing.

Low-Emitting Materials Reporting Form

This is a VOC tracking sheet that helps subcontractors record the low-emitting qualities of the products they purchase and can be distributed to each trade subcontractor and submitted to the GC for filing. Use it specifically for earning low-emitting materials credits, but in conjunction with documentation for MR credits.

Concrete Tracking

Use this form to track your concrete mixes and their recycled content and distance to the manufacturing and extraction sites.

LEED Online Forms: NC-2009 MR

The following links take you to the public, informational versions of the dynamic LEED Online forms for each NC-2009 MR credit. You'll need to fill out the live versions of these forms on LEED Online for each credit you hope to earn.

Version 4 forms (newest):

Version 3 forms:

These links are posted by LEEDuser with USGBC's permission. USGBC has certain usage restrictions for these forms; for more information, visit LEED Online and click "Sample Forms Download."

Construction Submittal

HardhatDocumentation for this credit is part of the Construction Phase submittal.

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Jaida Holbrook Enivronmental Engineer Skanska Sverige AB
Apr 10 2014
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Material Cost - whats included .. whats not?

The Reference Guide states "materials costs should account for all taxes and transportation costs incurred by the contractor but exclude any cost for labor and equipment once the material has been delivered to the site."

The statement doesn't exactly state that you should include labor during the manufacture of the material. But we do include that cost in our materials costs correct?

In addition our projects are all based in Sweden therefore we don't use CSI divisions. We use something called AMA that can be viewed as an equivalent. But on review of these divisons to make sure we are covering everything in our materials total cost. I see that CSI division 03-10 should be included in the materials cost.

Why do we include CSI Division 10 00 00 Specialties? Some of the sections seem to be more of a furniture/furnishing use ?

Thanks!

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Dianne Carey Director of Technical Services W. R. MEADOWS, Inc.
Mar 24 2014
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Raw Material Extraction/Harvest Locations

We manufacture coating and adhesive products. Determining the point of extraction/harvest of our raw materials is becoming more and more difficult to "trace".

We may use anywhere from 10-20 raw materials in a specific formulation. Then, some of the raw mateirals we purchase may contain 10+ ingredients or raw materials in "that" product.

For an example, I'll use the following:

RM 1: Acrylic Emulsion

We may purchase" this emulsion from a company who "manufacturers" the acrylic emulsion in Chicago - but we have no idea where "their" raw materials are actually "extracted" from (that are used to manufacture the acrylic emulsion).

Do we report the "extraction/harvest" location as "Chicago" - or do we need to break THEIR product down into each of "their" raw material "extraction locations"?

Thanks in advance for any help with this one...

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Melissa Vernon Director of Sustainable Strategy, Interface Mar 27 2014 LEEDuser Member 515 Thumbs Up

Based on my interpretation as a manufacturer, it is impossible to document extraction location for any raw materials derived from virgin petroleum.
They are excluded from my reporting.

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager, Vancouver, BC Canada Apr 02 2014 LEEDuser Member 171 Thumbs Up

Does water count as regionally raw material?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 02 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Lilian, I would be doubtful. What product is the water a part of?

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Dianne Carey Director of Technical Services, W. R. MEADOWS, Inc. Apr 03 2014 LEEDuser Member

Tristan and Lilian,

This is something we (as a manufacturer) have wondered about for a few years now. After review/comparison of the older USGBC CIRs (Credit Interpretation Rulings), Credit Addenda and the Credit Interpretation Database, we decided that water "could" contribute as a Regional Materlal; when "water" is added as a raw material to the product at the time it is manufactured; IF the actual manufacturing facility IS less than or = to 500 miles from the project/jobsite location.

For example, on the "sealersSealers are coatings applied to either block materials from penetrating into or leaching out of a substrate, to prevent subsequent coatings from being absorbed by the substrate, or to prevent harm to subsequent coatings by materials in the substrate." we manufacture, water may be added at our manufacturing facility in the amount of 47.0% (by weight) - to a product we manufacture. The remainder of the formula may be comprised of inert fillers, acrylic/urethane emulsions, surfactants, defoamers, etc.

The water that IS "counted" as a Regional Matieral is only the water that is added at "our" manufacturing facility, and does not include water that is "already contained" in any of the other raw materials in the formulation; such as water in the acrylic emulsions, urethane emulsions, surfactants, defoamers, etc.; that we purchase from other manufacturers/locations, etc.
NOTE: UNLESS their manufacturing locations ALSO just happen to be less than or equal to 500 miles from the project/jobsite location; in those cases, this "water" would also contribute.

Sorry for the "dissertation" - Just trying to provide a full explanation of how we arrived at our decision to "count" our local water AS a Regional Material. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or need any further clarification.

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Stella Hodgkins Sustainability Specialist, GE Johnson Construction Apr 03 2014 LEEDuser Member 11 Thumbs Up

We have been successful counting water as part of concrete mixes on multiple projects. I tend to agree with Dianne's assessment in that if water is part of the raw material mix included in the last point of manufacture prior to the product getting to the job site, it counts - as long as it's an assembly product that you're breaking down into component parts.

Regarding how far back to go in the supply chain, I usually use changes of state/composition as my measuring stick. If a raw material(s) A is combined to create new product B that then goes into the final product C, I use the manufacturing location of product B. If, however, a major raw material such as steel is carried through the supply chain without combining with something else to become something new, I would count the original point of extraction. This has been successful on our LEED projects in terms of review comments, but I'd be interested in hearing other people's experiences as well.

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Keith Lindemulder Environmental Business Development- LEED AP BD&C, Nucor Apr 03 2014 LEEDuser Member 1271 Thumbs Up

The credit documents products which are "permanently installed" on a project. While I would initially agree with the "change of state" analogy, I would argue that water itself in a concrete mixture is neither 1) permanently installed nor has it 2) changed state in that concrete mixture. It's more of a catalyst to cause the mixture to harden to a certain specification.

Likewise, solvents or added water in products like coatings and paints are similar in that they ultimate evaporate or other wise aren't "installed" on the project.

If ingredients like added water are to be potentially considered "regional" then where is the incentive to REDUCE the amount of water used in the manufacturing process?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 03 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Stella, I'm surprise that you've had that success, but if that's how the review comments have been going, I guess that's the word.

To me I would ask whether including water is an incentive or disincentive to reduce environmental burden, and I would be quite surprised if counting water toward MRc5 influenced a project's choice of where they are getting their water.

It's still problematic to me for reasons given by Keith, but I would feel better about a credit like MRc4 being sought for water, if you are reusing wastewater to reduce demand for potable waterPotable water meets or exceeds EPA's drinking water quality standards and is approved for human consumption by the state or local authorities having jurisdiction; it may be supplied from wells or municipal water systems., for example.

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Dianne Carey Director of Technical Services, W. R. MEADOWS, Inc. Apr 03 2014 LEEDuser Member

Stella, Thank you for your comments-very much appreciated !!!

Tristan and Keith - thank you as well. You BOTH have brought up excellent points; regarding adding "regional water" to a product or formulation -- as actually INCREASING the environmental burden !!

Looking at the credit(s) in that way, had not even occured to me !!
(As a R & D Chemist, I sometimes (ok, ALL the time) get WAY too "caught-up" in documenting and reporting "the data", and unfortunately don't always see (or lose sight of) the "big picture".

Based on your comments, do you feel that for products such as coatings, sealersSealers are coatings applied to either block materials from penetrating into or leaching out of a substrate, to prevent subsequent coatings from being absorbed by the substrate, or to prevent harm to subsequent coatings by materials in the substrate., waterproofing sealers, adhesives, bonding agents, caulks, etc.... that the actual "carrier-solvent" for these product (could be water or a petroleum-based, etc. "sovlent") should NOT be "counted" --- as in "theory" -- these "carrier-solvents" will eventually evaporate from the product - once it is applied "in" the structure ??

As a product manufacturer, the Regional Material Credits have always been the most difficult for us to interpret, report and maintain databases for - as often times, one "product" may contain 20+ "raw materials/components".

In addition, we often make the same formulation/product at 10 or more of our company's multiple manufacturing locations/facilities. This then requires us to collect/record/maintain raw material/component composition "information" separately; due to the presence of "regional" raw material suppliers, etc.

Once again, thank you ALL for your input - it has been extremely informative and helpful !!!

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Keith Lindemulder Environmental Business Development- LEED AP BD&C, Nucor Apr 04 2014 LEEDuser Member 1271 Thumbs Up

Dianne,
I completely understand doing what you can to provide as much LEED value as possible to a project. I also understand that your products most likely apply to the IEQ credits so you're already providing significant documentation to a project team.

Another consideration is that the value contributed to this credit is based on mass of the installed product. To be technically accurate (as I read the credit language) the mass of the installed product would be whatever's left after any water or other solvent evaporates. In the scope of a building project, your products would have to be incredibly expensive to provide appreciable value to the project. Even if you use the full weight and price of the product it's not going to make a big difference ultimately.

That said if you can make it so simple (I.e. - "automatic") for a project team to add the entry for your products I suspect the effort to sort all this out is petty much in vain. Generally the larger structural products make or break this credit on most new construction projects.

There may be more value than see (commercial interiors?) and I certainly don't want to sound negative but my advice would be to spend your efforts on the more difficult task of getting solid documentation together for LEED v4 projects.

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Dianne Carey Director of Technical Services, W. R. MEADOWS, Inc. Apr 10 2014 LEEDuser Member

Keith - Thank you for taking the time to further help clarify all of this for me - it is very much appreciated !!!

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Keith Lindemulder Environmental Business Development- LEED AP BD&C, Nucor Apr 10 2014 LEEDuser Member 1271 Thumbs Up

No problem. I hope I didn't come off sounding like I'm discouraging you from working something out for your customer. But at some point it's about defining the value vs the cost. It's great that you're thinking the way you are and I hope you can find a simple, effective way to make it happen.

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Dianne Carey Director of Technical Services, W. R. MEADOWS, Inc. Apr 11 2014 LEEDuser Member

Not to worry Keith, I didn't take it as "discouraging" at ALL. This is something that I have "struggled with" for quite a while now. With the resources we have, how do we PROPERLY implement and maintain the necessary databases (for all of our products) for the various Green Rating Systems/Requirements; to be able to provide our customers with the data/information they are requesting ... (??) Definately not an easy task; without dedicated personnel, resources, etc. Thank you again !!

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Jennifer Ratts P.E. LEED AP AMEC Earth and Enviornemntal
Mar 21 2014
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Steel coils counted as recovered/extracted?

Are steel coils counted as recovered for this credit? I have several products where steel coils are used. Does this count?

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Keith Lindemulder Environmental Business Development- LEED AP BD&C, Nucor Mar 21 2014 LEEDuser Member 1271 Thumbs Up

Jennifer, a little more info would be helpful. Steel is recognized by LEED to having an default recyceled content of 25%. Documentation is genrally available for domestically produced steel (North American) usually is substaintially better than the 25% default.

"Steel Coils" are not generally a "job site ready" product and are usually made into something specific for the job. Are you ultimately trying to document steel studs/track for framing (walls, floors, roof systems), or something else?

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Ian McCall Environmental Engineer Le Sommer Environnement
Mar 18 2014
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NC & CI MRc5 DIVISION 12 – FURNISHINGS

Hello,

I am working a LEED NC 2009 & Retail CI historic building MRc5. Apparently DIVISION 12 – FURNISHINGS include: ART, Murals and more specifically Ceramic Tile Murals etc....The my question is are all the items listed in "MasterFormat™ 2004 Edition – Numbers & Titles" DIVISION 12 section to be included in the MRc5 calculation? Would preserved historic protected decorative wall elements of the facade and internal walls (fresques) be included in this calculation as reused or salvaged on site elements? If so what $ value would be given to these elements?

Thank-you,
Ian

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Megan White Sustainability Manager Webcor Builders
Feb 13 2014
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MRc5 Option 2 - Direct miles or Nautical Miles?

When using MRc5 Option 2 approach --> should we be using the direct distance between two locations? Or the nautical miles between two locations? Specifically, we are looking at materials shipped via barge to the island of Guam, therefore I would think we need to use nautical miles. We found this great tool that might help other people too = http://www.distancefromto.net/

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 13 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Megan, the key term in the credit language is "travel distance," so I think you're on the right track with nautical miles.

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Megan White Sustainability Manager, Webcor Builders Feb 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 103 Thumbs Up

Thank you Tristan! We also got more clarification from the website designer - based on Riemannian circle theory = the distance between a pair of points is defined to be the length of the shorter of the two arcs into which the circle is partitioned by the two points. Therefore anything shippped via Air or Barge should use the Nautical miles traveled. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemannian_circle

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Scott Larson Mar 07 2014 Guest 2 Thumbs Up

Good Morning Megan,

Great website for checking distances! Thanks for posting this.

I’d like to share a clarification regarding nautical miles, as I understand them.

Distancefromto.net gives the direct distance over the earth’s surface (great circle or Riemannian circle), including the curvature of the earth, between two locations. Like you said, this is the shorter of the two arcs on the great circle containing the two points. A distance can be described using different units, and I like that the website displays the various units.

A nautical mile is approximately 6,076 feet , or roughly 15% longer than a statute mile which is 5,280 feet. Units of nautical miles are often used in the aviation and shipping businesses, so a shipping company might refer to sending something from, say, Seattle to Guam as 4,930 nautical miles. This is approximately 5,673 statute miles.

Based upon the USGBC’s credit language of “500 miles (800 kilometers)”, statute miles, which we commonly refer to as simply miles, are used for LEED distance calculations. I hope this helps!

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Devani PERERA Green Building Consultant ELAN
Jan 16 2014
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LEEDonline templates - Attention

The LEEDonline templates on LEEDonline have been changed. Now it includes a new table that needs to be completed. After having taken the time to fill the information which is also in the materials and resources calculator the information was not saved. A lot of time lost and the credit appears as incomplete !
anyone else who has had the same experience and managed to resolve it?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 16 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Devani, this seems odd to me. Typically LEED Online forms are only upgraded if you request an upgrade. If you did request an upgrade, you should expect that data will be lost. If you did not, then I would contact GBCI to ask why they upgraded your forms and lost your data without your say-so.

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Devani PERERA Green Building Consultant, ELAN Jan 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 219 Thumbs Up

Thank you Tristan for your quick reply. I did not realise that they changed the format for the MRc 5 template with the table of materials being integrated into it. It makes it open to error and other loss of information. What was the reasoning behind this change?

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Kathleen Gaffney Consigli Construction Co Jan 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 55 Thumbs Up

I haven't come across this new table yet. But is it possible to complete the table with the bottom line numbers from the calculator, and upload the referenced calculator... rather than re-enter all the information?

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Tyler Stanley
Jan 09 2014
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MRc5 Pertaining to Modular Building

I work with a commercial modular building fabricator preparing to construct an office facility on the east coast. In pre-construction planning for this project, the question of the "project site" has been raised. Is the project site where the modules are constructed, or where the final placement of the modules will be? Our facility is just within the 500 mile radius of the final site, so this leads to the potential issue. Our normal steel distributor is about 25 miles from our facility, but just outside of the 500 mile radius of the final site. So if the final site is considered the "project site," we will have to have steel shipped in from roughly 200 miles away from our manufacturing facility, instead of our typical supplier.

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Kathleen Gaffney Consigli Construction Co Jan 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 55 Thumbs Up

Have tried using MR5 option 2 to see if it works out better...depending on how it's traveling?

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Charles Clark
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How to calculate Raw Material distance for Option 2?

I am still confused about how to calculate the raw material distance for Option 2. I understand how to calculate the distance from the manufacturing facility to the job site. But how does one calculate the distance from where the raw materials are extracted to the job site? It is confusing since the ACTUAL ROUTE must be used for Option 2. But the only actual route for raw materials to the job site is via the manufacturing facility.

Example:
Steel beams manufactured 1000 miles from job site and delivered via train for 900 miles to a railhead and then by truck for the last 100 miles. Assume raw materials are 900 miles from job site since they are close to manufacturing facility where they are sent to be made into steel beams.

Distance from Manufacturer to Job Site Calculation:
(900 miles by train/3) + 100 miles by truck = 400 miles < 500 miles ...OK

Distance from Extraction to Job Site Calculation?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Charles, what your post makes me think is that manufacturing location is not really relevant in Option 2, in the sense that what needs to be tracked is the path of raw materials, with the factory(ies) being just one stop on their trip.

In other words, why not just take the example you gave and extend it backward into the origin(s) of the raw materials?

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Charles Clark Jan 06 2014 Guest 105 Thumbs Up

So if the raw materials in my example were extracted 150 miles from the manufacturing facility and delivered by truck, then would the calculation be:

150 miles raw material by truck + (900 miles by train/3) + 100 miles by truck = 550 miles

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Yes, that's my read on it.

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Jessica Sarfaty
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LEEDs Clarification

Hello,
Can you please clarify what regional manufacture % by weight, and Harvest/ Extraction % by weight is? I have googled and researched relentlessly, and everyone seems to have a different take on it. Thanks.

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Jessica, in the words of the credit language (see above), "Use building materials or products that have been extracted, harvested or recovered, as well as manufactured, within a specified distance of the project site."

To put this in clearer language, LEED is asking, for a given building product or material, where was it manufactured, and where were its raw materials harvested or extracted? The relevant distance is a 500-mile radius from the LEED project site.

If you put the product on a scale, ""% by weight" refers to what percentage of the product meets the distance requirements. For most LEED projects (all except LEED-CI), the product must be BOTH made and extracted within the radius to qualify. Please let me know if I can clarify anything else. And I would recommend subscribing to LEEDuser and reading our more detailed guidance above!

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Jessica Sarfaty Jan 06 2014 Guest 4 Thumbs Up

Tristan,
Thank you so much. I actually just signed up! Just to clarify, Regional Manufacture is the % of all the raw material plus the location of manufacturing, and the harvest/ extraction material is the raw material, including recycled content, correct?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Jessica, if you upgrade to a paid LEEDuser membership (you can see an offer to do this on free trial basis at the top of the page), you'll get a lot more guidance, in addition to this forum.

I would not phrase things the way you did. Let me break it out another way:

Regionally manufactured: product is manufactured within a 500-mile radius of the LEED project

Regionally harvested-extracted: the product's raw materials originate within a 500-mile radius of the LEED project. A point of origin might be a quarry or a forest, for example, For recycled content, the point of origin might be a scrapyard. (This is a finer point that is covered in more detail in our premium content).

Percent compliant (for LEED-NC MRc5): The percentage of the product or material by weight that complies with BOTH regionally manufactured and regionally extracted requirements.

Recycled content is also covered under MRc4.

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barbara anderson
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Distance Credit - Verification of Rail or Water Transportation

Why does no one ask for paper work to verify that material is shipped by rail or water? There are so many manufactures that fill out the submission documents and lie about how it got to the job Site.
This puts honest manufacturers at a disadvantage for both cost and lead time. Not only is there added transportation costs, material may take up to 3 times as long to be delivered by rail as it does by truck.

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Erica Downs Sustainability & LEED Consultant Nov 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 1769 Thumbs Up

Hi Barbara - when you say "why does no one ask" -- are you referring to the LEED Reviewers, or various parties on the project team? It sounds like you're referring to the project team (correct?).

I asked a related question below, which I have not seen an answer to yet: What exactly IS the documentation requirement for this method of distance tracking? I suspect that this option is new enough that few teams using this method are far enough along to have received comments from a LEED Reviewer. Teams that don't collect enough documentation may find this point being rejected.

If anyone has actually gone through the review process using this option, any advice would be appreciated!

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barbara anderson Nov 20 2013 Guest 21 Thumbs Up

Hi Erica,

I am referring to anyone on a LEED project team. This can include an architect, interior designer, specification writer, LEED reviewer, or a LEED certifications consultant. I have only seen one specification in 5 years that requested the bill of lading for materials shipped by rail. When I ask any of the mentioned parties the answer is “it is not required”. If a project is using the regional material credit and the product is manufactured and extracted beyond the distance, there is no proof other than a bill of lading.
Thanks

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Erica Downs Sustainability & LEED Consultant Nov 21 2013 LEEDuser Member 1769 Thumbs Up

Barbara - the Option 2 method of calculating is very new (July 2012) to LEED v3. I beleive it was previously available in LEEDv2.2, but only for projects outside of the US (see discussion on LEEDv2.2 - MRc5).

Documentation of the standard 500-mile radius is typically a statement from the manufacturer or supplier stating the location of manufacture and source of raw materials, and is determined on an "as the crow flies" basis. If you draw a 500-mile radius around the site, any source locations inside that radius would qualify. Or, a website such as Geobytes will tell you the straight-line distance between two locations.

Transportation method never entered into the equation, so to speak, prior to the July 2012 Addenda, so in general the various parties would be correct that the BOL for rail shipments was not required. There is no indication in the Reference Guide Addenda, or on LEEDuser for that matter, as to what will be expected from project teams using Option 2. They may now very well need that BOL.

However, like I said before, this is such a new option that I suspect relatively few projects have actually received LEED Reviewer feedback on their documenation. And projects going through Review now or in the last year likely had their specs written long before the Addendum. We may start hearing back from teams who submit materials using Option 2 and see lots of Reviewer requests for additional information.

Once again, any feedback from LEEDuser members would be appreciated!

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barbara anderson Nov 24 2013 Guest 21 Thumbs Up

Hi Erica,
I did not realize that this method of calculation was not implemented in the US. In Canada, this has been included in the Regional Materials Credit since the first LEED reference guide was published in 2007.

"Use building materials or products that have been extracted,harvested, recovered and processed within 800 km (500 miles) (2,400 km if shipped by rail or water) of the final manufacturing site."

"Demonstrate that the final manufacturing site is within 800 km (500 miles) (2,400 km if shipped by rail or water) of the project site for these products. "

If you rely on a statement from the manufacture or supplier stating the location of manufacture and source of raw materials you cannot be sure they have railed the product. In Canada there have been many projects where the manufacture said the product has been railed, but on further investigation, it was transported by truck. After it is installed, it is too late to do anything about it!

Thanks for your help.

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Megan White Sustainability Manager, Webcor Builders Feb 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 103 Thumbs Up

Hello Ladies,
I have been using the "mode of transporation" approach to this credit (option 2) since LEED v2.2 in the United States, and was actually the individual who submitted the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide for approval originally back in 2008. As a general contractor, I have now worked to change our specification language on all projects to use this approach. Mode of transit is the key to truly understanding the real picture in regards to emissions associated with transportation. The way I have documented this on our jobs is to request a letter from the material manufacturer on their letter head, stating the material extraction and manfucturing locations, and telling us how they were shipped from between each location. This letter as proof has been accepted on all projects. After spending ample time researching supply chain mateiral data with climate scientists, the Option 1 rule of 500 mile radius really does not do justice to the intent of the credit. If we truly want to select materials that produce less transportation emissions, we need to understand how they are moved from one location to another, as a truck has far more emissions and can carry far less material than a train, or even more so, a barge. Hope this helps!

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Mariah Grife
Nov 08 2013
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Landscaping regional materials

Has anyone come across any issues with putting landscaping numbers in for Regional Materials?

I know the language of the creidt allows 329000 Planting/Landscaping materials to be counted, and I have letters from the Plant Material Manufacturers stating that all plant material was sourced through their Nursery - would this be adequate backup data? Or do I need a separate Extraction and Manufacturing location for plants?

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Mariah Grife Nov 08 2013 LEEDuser Member 316 Thumbs Up

Another Question - Can I put in Regional numbers for Soil Materials used in planting? Would this fall under the 32.90.00 spec category?

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Erica Downs Sustainability & LEED Consultant Nov 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 1769 Thumbs Up

Hi Mariah - I have used locally-grown plants for this credit before and it was accepted. I believe we had a letter from the nursery stating that the plants were grown there. We used the same distance for Extraction and Manufacturing. I'm sure locally-sourced planting soils would also be ok, since other landscape materials are acceptable (like crushed stone).

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Megan White Sustainability Manager, Webcor Builders Feb 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 103 Thumbs Up

Yes, Soil has been approved on all my projects. Anything that falls into 32.9X.XX is how I approach it. And typically every job therefore has regional plants and soils, which help greatly toward achieving MRc5!

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Crista Shopis Senior Engineer, LEED AP Taitem Engineering
Nov 01 2013
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Purchased soils

There is a project that needs to raise the site level by 4 feet. To accomplish this they are trucking in soil and aggregate and spreading it down prior to construction of the foundation. Do I need to include this soil as a material cost? This falls under spec section 31 05 00 - Earthwork soils/aggregate and 31 23 00 - Fill. The only reference I can find int he guidebook is to spec section 31 60 00 - Foundations which leads me to think that I do not need to include this soil in any cost calculations for recycled content or regional materials. Is this correct?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Crista, in addition to 31 60 00 you need to include 32 10 00, 32 30 00, and 32 90 00. If the soil falls outside of these (as well as 03–10), then you don't need to include it.

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Erica Downs Sustainability & LEED Consultant
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Option 2 documentation?

Has anyone received any feedback yet on Option 2 documentation? Do we need to collect shipping manifests or anything like that?

Also, has there been any clarification on whether the "total distance traveled" is actual miles, or "as the crow flies"?

thanks!

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Erica Downs Sustainability & LEED Consultant Nov 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 1769 Thumbs Up

Still for looking for advice from anyone with Review experience when using Option 2....
We have suppliers submitting "rail distances" with no supporting documentation whatsoever. How is this supposed to be determined??
Thanks!

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager Vancouver, BC Canada
Aug 08 2013
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Steel manufacturer letter regarding raw materials extraction

Hi,
I need help with interpretation with this letter which I'm sure some of you may have the same from the manufacturer.
So, what is % of raw materials extracted within their manufacturing plant?

"Gerdau Ameristeel's own steel recycling facilities provide approximately 40% of all the recycled steel scrap used in our steel mills. The individual Gerdau Ameristeel mills select scrap based on metallurgical needs and costs. In general, it is estimated that at least 80%-90% or more of the steel scrap used by Gerdau Ameristeel comes from locatinos within 200 miles of the producing mill and 95%-100% within 500 miles of the producing mill."

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager, Vancouver, BC Canada Aug 13 2013 LEEDuser Member 171 Thumbs Up

Manufacturer has removed this letter. No reply required.

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Courtney Royal, LEED AP BD+C Sr. Sustainability Consultant, Taitem Engineering Nov 06 2013 LEEDuser Member 680 Thumbs Up

Hi Lilian, what do you mean the "manufacturer has removed this letter." I am actually up against the same issue with Gerdau and a couple other steel mfg submittals that have been submitted for me to review. Instead of providing the scrap steel recovery location, they give information just like Gerdau did. How did you get around this? We do need an actual location for this information, correct? Thanks in advance!

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager, Vancouver, BC Canada Nov 06 2013 LEEDuser Member 171 Thumbs Up

Hi Courtney
They have provided me with another letter dated April 15, 2009. The letter states that they used recycled scrap metal in their EAP in the steelmaking process. It also states that they are the collecting facility of these scraps.So, according to pp 417 of the LEED 2009 Canada, their collection scrap facility is considered as the 'raw material' extraction location.

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager Vancouver, BC Canada
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Architect's responsibility

What is the Architect's role in ensuring credit achievement? They designed something and specified a product for their great design to work without making an effort to maximize sustainable efforts. Instead, throwing it to construction manager to find another alternative to meet project goals.
Here's their response:
"The apportionment of regional materials is per Contractors' means and methods, as Regional Materials is a Construction Credit and the construction manager is the assigned Responsible Party
Please identify an alternative path to comply with project goals for this Credit ..."
Doesn't this look like this very renown Mr Architect is dodging the green efforts? Any comments ?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 03 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Lilian, an effective LEED project team has everyone pulling their weight toward sustainability and LEED project goals. Every team and every contract is different so I can't speak to your situation, and LEED itself does not dictate how teams should operate, but in practice, the type of behavior you describe, which can show up within any role on a team, is not responsible to the project goals, assuming those goals are well-established by the owner or other responsible authority.

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Tiffany Moore LEED Documentation Consultant, Built Kansas City LLC Nov 04 2013 LEEDuser Member 617 Thumbs Up

Lilian,

Your experience is more common that we'd like to admit at this point, but I'd like to support Tristan's last comment about the assumption that the project goals are established and support by the contracts. You may be seeing the result of a contractual relationship that divides the credits and doesn't incentivize an integrated approach.

In some cases, the contractual relationships haven't quite caught up with sustainability. It's not always clear that the contracts need to be modified as much as the specificiations if the team is expected to REALLY collaborate.

Don't shoot the messenger, as we say in the States, until you determine whether this position is intentional or not. If their response is based on the contract, see if you can illustrate the benefit of an alternate approach and broach the concept of collaboration to achieve a higher level of sustainability.

Good luck!

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager Vancouver, BC Canada
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Steel Anchor Bars - Distances

Hi there
I think it's pretty obvious this is not going to comply but thought I bring this up for any comments or reconfirmation.

Extraction & Mill [Germany] - Final Manufacturing [Fremont, California ]- Project site [Vancouver].

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Jul 24 2013 LEEDuser Expert 12113 Thumbs Up

Both extraction or recovery and manufacture have to be within 500 miles of the project site. Your instincts are correct.

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Keith Lindemulder Environmental Business Development- LEED AP BD&C, Nucor Jul 24 2013 LEEDuser Member 1271 Thumbs Up

Susan, while I agree that in this case Lilian's instincts are correct, LEED 2009 does offer an alternative calculation depending on shipping method.

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager, Vancouver, BC Canada Jul 25 2013 LEEDuser Member 171 Thumbs Up

Thanks Susan and Keith!
Spoke with their manufacturer and confirmed this product does not satisfy the credit. Anchor bars are already installed and what's annoying is contractor's attitude - doesn't think there's any big deal in zero regional contribution. Another frustration is they turned deaf ears to our detailed information for credit compliance prior their to installation. Does anyone have any similar experience and what are your solutions?

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Jul 25 2013 LEEDuser Expert 12113 Thumbs Up

We've seen a little of that attitude but our clients are large enough that contractors usually do a quick turn around on that attitude if they want one of their larger projects. I would recommend looking through any detailed bids or pay apps for your projects to get a better understanding of the big ticket items, filter for products within those categories and then write a tight spec for those items. Also customize your Div 1 LEED Requirements section and note items that must have regional content. Conduct a pre-construction LEED meeting and re-emphasize your seriousness in meeting the owner's goals and say that you'll reject non compliant shops. Then reject non compliant shops. Keep your owner in the loop on why you're being 'difficult' to deal with before the contractors complain about you. I heard through the grapevine that this happened to me and the owner's response was 'that is what we pay her to do; so do it'. That ended the whining.

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Peggy White White + GreenSpec Jul 25 2013 LEEDuser Member 1334 Thumbs Up

This can be a very complicated Credit to document, as the contractor has to determine the source of each component of the product and then calculate the percentage of locally harvested/mined components. Getting reliable information can be challenging. Its certainly understandable why contractors balk, especially if they are smaller and their staff is already stretched thin.

That said, this Credit is a team effort - while the contractor has to calculate it, the designer has an obligation to research materials and select products that DO have regional content if the Owner wants to achieve this Credit. And yes, Susan is correct in her advice to focus on the big ticket items to maximize the opportunities.

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Tiffany Moore LEED Documentation Consultant, Built Kansas City LLC Jul 25 2013 LEEDuser Member 617 Thumbs Up

Money talks. If the prime contract with the owner contains a requirement to achieve LEED certification, that element needs to be repeated in the sub contracts. I often see projects where the design team is contractually obligated by the owner, but uses specs, meetings, and the submittal process to execute the process. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard, "I didn't read the specs, I just took the information from the drawings," I would be on a beach somewhere reading these posts. Ha!

I enjoy working the construction side and spend a lot of time training and developing documents to address this very issue. This is about communication. I recommend putting the requirement to participate and respond to LEED requirements in areas of the contract that contain other similar requirements, such as insurance, bonds, liquidated damages, etc. If the only reference to LEED is buried in the paint spec (for example), you may not be relaying the right level of commitment or expectation to the right people.

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Lilian Seow LEED Manager, Vancouver, BC Canada Jul 26 2013 LEEDuser Member 171 Thumbs Up

Thanks Everyone for your valueable information.
Yes, agree it's all in the design, specification, pre-contract award and during construction toolboxes, etc. We have all that covered in the contracts and Spec sort of. In every front page of the specification is a LEED Requirement section but there are materials spec'd by the Architect are not within the LEED distances from the project site. An issue: a $400 k worth of glass material is specified from a non-regional source. Trade is justifying their procurement from a non-regional source. Trade submitted a RFI to clarify the LEED compliance discrepancy in the Specs. Owner is asking if this specific item is included in the projected credit tracking report.Ok, this is like 2% of the total project material costs but the question is why would Owner want to take the risk for selective compliance? There are other issues here: design and manufacturing issues. Is it really true that there no one on the west coast to manufacture a one-piece fritted templered glass? If that is true, does the Architect really must have the so-called signature glass design to be manufactured outside of the region and that it 's worthy of undermining the green objective?
I think I'm deviating from the topic - if it is , let me know where can I post this for further discussion...thanks

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Melissa Vernon Director of Sustainable Strategy Interface
Jul 12 2013
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extraction location for petroleum based raw materials

I'm cross posting my question here, as it pertains to LEED v4 raw material sourcing, and in documenting regional materials, others may have encountered the same issue.

I am working on documentation for the LEED v4 Raw Material Sourcing credit and need some advice. In order to document enough raw materials to comply with the final LEED v4 credit wording, some of the raw materials will be petroleum based. Oil is a global commodity. How far up the supply chain do I need to go to collect extraction location and commitment to environmental practices from the supplier?
For example, our carpet uses a coating made from EVA, a copolymer. We can determine where the EVA was manufactured but it's not possible to determine where the ethylene and vinyl acetate were created.

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Sep 17 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Melissa (and all), check out LEEDuser's active v4 discussion forums here! And please post your questions and thoughts on those knotty issues...

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Tiffany Moore LEED Documentation Consultant Built Kansas City LLC
Jul 02 2013
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Steel reporting for MRc5

The reporting that I have used for steel on all my projects has been successful and met the expectations of the reviewers in terms of the point of manufacture and extraction. However, I am currently working with a new steel fabricator that disagrees and I'm struggling to find a clear, concise answer for why I don't think the documentation they have been using will still be acceptable. There are several new threads on here with similar comments, which always makes me feel better. I like knowing I'm not alone in the fog.

I use the steel mill for manufacturing and the scrap yard as the extraction point. The fabricator has been using their location as manufacturing and the steel mill as the extraction point.

Technically, the addenda and other resources seem to support the use of their fabrication yard as the manufacturing location, but will the reviewers accept the steel mill as the point of extraction? My recent experience tells me no, but the actual verbiage of the addena says manufacturing is the point of final assembly and extraction is the point at which it is packaged for delivery to the manufacturer, which would be the steel mill.

Is there anything I can reference to clarify this issue as it relates to steel?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 12 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

I would reference the addenda that talks about this. I think we talk about it in our guidance on LEEDuser above and on MRc4.

The fabrication point is fine as the manufacturing location, but I agree that the scrap yard is better as the extraction location. This is a bit of a gray area, however, as you have probably noticed from these forum discussions.

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Tiffany Moore LEED Documentation Consultant, Built Kansas City LLC Jul 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 617 Thumbs Up

Thanks, Tristan. I have recently received review comments asking to clarify the scrap source vs. the mill location. Those comments have led me to believe this area is receiving more scrutiny by at least some review teams.

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Keith Lindemulder Environmental Business Development- LEED AP BD&C, Nucor Jul 24 2013 LEEDuser Member 1271 Thumbs Up

Tiffany, I would suggest that the real answer is "it depends". Some steel products go directly from mill to jobsite without additional "manufacturing value" added to them. Stock lengths of rebar, many steel wire and wire mesh products and piling come to mind. In this case, the final point of manufacturing would in fact be the mill.

However, many other steel items DO make a pit stop at a fabricator/manufacturer along the path to the jobsite - Fabricated rebar assemblies, structural steel fabrications, cold-formed steel components, bar joist & metal deck to name a few. In this case the final point of manufacture would be the fabrcation factility which is rare at the same locatoin as the mill.

In terms of extraction or, in the case of scrap, recovery, that's a bit more complicated. For "extracted" raw materials, that point of extraction would be the mine (think iron ore). For "recovered" raw materials (scrap) the addenda that can "include a recycling facility, scrap yard, depository, stockpile, or any other location where the material was colleced and packaged for market purchase before manufacturing," That can mean lots of things since many mills which utilze scrap steel to produce new steel have "scrap yards, stockpiles and/or recycling facilities" on site.

To make maters more complicated, most mills using scrap steel as a raw material input are receiving scrap from many (dozens) of locations. The problem is these scrap yards are not in one locaiton and the LEED MR5 documentation only accepts a single location (zip) as input. So, in our case, we provide the percentage recovered "within 500 miles of the project site" and recommend the LEED team use the mill zip code as the "recovery location".

All that said, I'm seeing more and more inquiries or request to verify the data from GBCI reviewers.

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