NC-2009 SSc4.1: Alternative Transportation—Public Transportation Access

  • NC_CS_SS4-1_Type3_Pub Transport Diagram
  • Site selection makes all the difference

    Site selection is the key factor in determining how easily a project can qualify for this credit. If your project is located in a densely populated area that is well-served by public transportation, it should be very easy to meet the requirements.

    Exemplary points are easy to achieve in this credit, especially for projects located in dense urban centers that are well served by the public transit system. If however, your project site is located further than two miles from transit facilities then achieving this credit may prove to be challenging.

    An all-around good idea

    Facilitating access to public transportation not only brings environmental benefits in the form of reduced greenhouse gas emissions and fewer cars on the road, but it can also reduce commuting costs for building occupants and help attract new hires and retain employees.

    Options for larger projects

    Larger-scale projects may want to consider working with local transit authorities to bring public transportation access near the project site if none already exists. You may not need to ask for an entirely new bus route—some other options include diverting an existing bus route or adding a stop on a route that runs nearby.

    Go by streetcarLocating in neighborhoods with public transit, like Portland, Oregon’s Pearl District, reduces transportation energy use while giving occupants more options. Photo – Reconnecting America

    If a rail station or a bus line that a project plans to use for compliance has not been built yet, then you will need to provide proof that it will be funded, sited and planned at the time of project completion.

    If public transportation cannot be brought closer to your project site, you still have the alternative of providing shuttles to existing public transit—either regularly scheduled or on demand. Note that shuttles buses should provide direct access to transit facilities within two miles of the project site, approximately a 5–10 minute drive, and must be available to all project occupants.

    FAQs for SSc4.1

    What are the requirements for shuttle buses?

    Per the LEED Reference Guide, they must connect to public transit and operate during the most frequent commuting hours.

    Per a LEED addendum published 4/1/12, they must also "provide direct access to transit facilities within 2 miles of the project site, approximately a 5-10 minute drive, and must be available to all project occupants."

    A bus has multiple stops within my 1/4-mile radius. Can I count each of those?

    No, as this doesn't increase service to the LEED project. (Depending on project specifics, you could try to make a case, however.)

Legend

  • Best Practices
  • Gotcha
  • Action Steps
  • Cost Tip

Pre-Design

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  • Selecting a site with easy access to public transportation is the easiest way to earn this credit, so ideally this credit will be considered during site selection. Projects located in dense urban areas generally can qualify, whereas projects located in rural or suburban areas, where public transportation infrastructure is not as developed, may need to facilitate access to existing mass transit nearby, which may in some cases be difficult or expensive.


  • If there are no bus stops or train stations in the project’s immediate vicinity, consider talking to local transit authorities to see if a bus line can be rerouted closer to the project site, or if a bus stop can be added near the building to serve the occupants.


  • There is generally no extra cost for projects with access to existing transportation access or those that request an added bus stop.


  • Establishing a regular shuttle for building occupants to a transportation hub can add additional costs. However, making commuting easier for your employees, or making your building more accessible to customers can pay off in productivity or sales.


  • A transit-oriented project may need less parking area, contributing to SSc4.4: Alternative Transportation—Parking Capacity. You can also reduce your costs for parking construction, maintenance, and stormwater infrastructure and fees.

Schematic Design

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  • A project pursuing the Exemplary PerformanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. credit for doubling transit ridership need to note that for this credit "transit rides" is defined as the number of times per day a bus or train stops at that particular stop. A combination of rail and bus lines is allowable.


  • Typically, the owner or LEED consultant is responsible for documenting access to public transportation and should identify local stations and bus routes closest to the project, reaching out to local transit authorities if necessary.


  • To document the credit create a vicinity site map, to scale, illustrating the building in relation to the bus lines or rail stations that will be used for compliance. A delineated walking route from the project to the transit stop is also recommended.


  • One commuter train station within a half-mile walking distance is sufficient to meet the credit requirement. This can be a local metro, subway, light rail or long-distance commuter line. Alternatively, two bus lines within ¼ mile walking distance can satisfy the credit requirement. These can be private, public, or campus bus lines.


  • Walking distance must be measured from the main building entrance to the bus stop or rail station. This path must follow sidewalks and other walkable areas. Crossing highways, lawns or other private areas is not considered an acceptable part of pedestrian access.


  • Some projects have two or three “main” entrances from which to measure the distance to bus stops or rail stations. If any one of these entrances is within the required distance, this can qualify your project for the credit. Confirm in the credit narrative which entries are “main” entries.


  • Public, private, or campus bus lines in proximity to the project site can be used for credit compliance as long as building occupants have consistent access at peak times. If there is an existing shuttle that runs nearby to the project site with restricted access, consider talking to bus operators to see if you can get permission for your project occupants to use the shuttle. (See the Documentation Toolkit for an example using a shuttle from the project site.)


  • If a rail station or bus stop that you plan to use for compliance has not yet been built, you will need to provide proof that it will be funded, sited and planned at the time of project completion. (It does not have to be built, however.)


  • A bus line that goes in separate directions (for example, one into town, one out of town), counts as a single bus line, not two, and does not meet the credit requirement for two bus lines. Compliant bus lines must serve two distinct routes. The simplest way to determine this is to verify that the buses display two different route numbers. Two routes that converge near the project and then diverge blocks away count as separate.


  • Consider one of the two options for pursuing an Exemplary Performance point for this credit:

    • Developing a comprehensive transportation management plan. The plan must quantify the reduction of personal automobile use by building occupants due to a variety of alternative transportation options and strategies. This same Exemplary Performance point covers all of the Alternative Transportation credits.
    • Demonstrate access to double the number of train lines or bus lines. The frequency of service at these particular stations must total a minimum of 200 rides daily. (See the Documentation Toolkit for an example.)

  • Documentation of this credit can occur anytime between schematic design and 100% construction documents. Unless your team is pursuing an alternative compliance path, you can document the credit as soon as the locations of your main entries are set.

Construction Documents

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  • Fill in the LEED Online credit form. Document the credit with a site plan highlighting the pedestrian route from the building entrance to the identified bus or train stop or stops. Provide a distance scale to confirm that the building entrance is within the required distance of transit—¼ mile for bus, ½ mile for train.

Operations & Maintenance

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  • Consider providing building occupants with information about public transportation options in the vicinity and instituting programs that promote their use, such as subsidized passes or other financial incentives. This could be part of a wider transportation management plan, which is one available strategy for gaining an Exemplary Performance point under IDc1. To meet this ID point, project teams would have to institute a Comprehensive Transportation Management Plan that promotes the use of alternate transportation and limits the use of personal vehicles.

  • USGBC

    Excerpted from LEED 2009 for New Construction and Major Renovations

    SS Credit 4.1: Alternative transportation - public transportation access

    6 Points

    Intent

    To reduce pollution and land development impacts from automobile use.

    Requirements

    Option 1: Rail station, bus rapid transit station & ferry terminal proximity

    Locate the project within 1/2-mile (800 meter) walking distance (measured from a main building entrance) of an existing or planned and funded commuter rail, light rail, subway station bus rapid transit1 station or commuter ferry terminal.

    OR

    Option 2: Bus stop proximity

    Locate the project within 1/4-mile (400 meter) walking distance (measured from a main building entrance) of 1 or more stops for 2 or more public, campus, or private bus lines usable by building occupants.

    OR

    Option 3. Rideshare proximity

    Projects outside the U.S. may locate the project within 1/4-mile (400 meter) walking distance (measured from a main building entrance) of 1 or more stops for 2 or more existing rideshare options2 that that meet the definition of public transportation3 and are authorized by the local transit authority if one exists.

    1 Bus rapid transit is an enhanced bus system that operates on exclusive bus lanes or other transit rights-of-way; it is designed to combine the flexibility of uses with the efficiency of rail.

    2 Rideshare is a transit service that involves sharing a single vehicle with multiple people, excluding large-scale vehicles such as buses and trains. The rideshare transit facility must include a signed stop and a clearly defined waiting area. Additionally, the rideshare must include an enclosed passenger seating area, fixed route service, fixed fare structure, continuous daily operation, and the ability to pick up and drop off multiple riders. Rideshare options must hold 4 or more passengers, except for human-powered conveyances which must hold 2 or more passengers.

    3Public transportation consists of bus, rail, or other transit services for the general public that operate on a regular, continual basis.

    Streamlined path available

    Achievement of this credit can be documented via a LEED ND v2009 submittal. For more information check out this article.

    Potential Technologies & Strategies

    Perform a transportation survey of future building occupants to identify transportation needs. Locate the building near mass transit.

    FOOTNOTES

    1 Bus rapid transit is an enhanced bus system that operates on exclusive bus lanes or other transit rights-of-way; it is designed to combine the flexibility of buses with the efficiency of rail.

    2 Rideshare is a transit service that involves sharing a single vehicle with multiple people, excluding large-scale vehicles such as buses and trains. The rideshare transit facility must include a signed stop and a clearly defined waiting area. Additionally, the rideshare must include an enclosed passenger seating area, fixed route service, fixed fare structure, continuous daily operation, and the ability to pick up and drop off multiple riders. Rideshare options must hold 4 or more passengers, except for human-powered conveyances which must hold 2 or more passengers.

    3 Public transportation consists of bus, rail, or other transit services for the general public that operate on a regular, continual basis.

Web Tools

Google Maps

Identify and map walking distances to the nearest bus/rail stops from the project site.


Walkscore.com

A great site for finding walkable communities and neighborhoods.


Hopstop.com

Subway and bus directions for NY.


Public transportation resources

Find public transportation around your site.


Project for public spaces

List of online resources on encouraging public transportation and space usage.


Institute for Transportation and Development Policy

This is a list of resources on increase of access to public transportation and walkability of cities.


Radius Around a Point

Helps to determine the radius around a project site to determine how many bus stops and other amenities are nearby.

Technical Guides

USGBC guide for campus building

Important to refer to in case of multi-building development.


Guide to transportation management plan

This encyclopedia is a comprehensive source of information about innovative management solutions to transportation problems.

Organizations

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

Government organization dedicated to saving lives, preventing injuries, and reducing vehicle-related crashes.


Walkable Communities Transportation Alternatives

Organization advocating for pedestrians.

Publications

Comprehensive Transporation Management Plan for Seattle Children’s Hospital

A sample plan highlighting enhanced transportation options, including a shuttle to transit system, an innovative bicycle program, and increased financial rewards for employees who commute without driving alone.

Other

Commuter Program at Juniper Networks

Video of a good transportation plan that highlights company’s mass transit subsidies and telecommuting programs as well as its financial incentives, which helped the company achieve over 24% trip reduction in 2007.

Comprehensive Transportation Management Plan

These sample comprehensive transportation management plans demonstrate how to earn an Exemplary PerformanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. point under SSc4. 

Vicinity Map

Option 2: Bus Stop Proximity

Use a vicinity map like this to demonstrate your project's proximity to public transit. Include the number and location of stations or lines and the walking distances from main building entrances.

Alternative Compliance Path

This sample narrative (which was approved for a project whose name has been removed) illustrates documentation of an alternative compliance path, in which shuttle service is provided to connect the project building with a light rail station and a public bus line.

Subway Ridership

Exemplary Performance

Exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. was earned for this project by demonstrating proximity to at least two commuter rail lines with over 200 transit rides per day, total. (In this case, 14 subway lines with 2,227 stops per day were documented.)

LEED Online Forms: NC-2009 SS

Sample LEED Online forms for all rating systems and versions are available on the USGBC website.

Design Submittal

PencilDocumentation for this credit can be part of a Design Phase submittal.

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Vibha Pai Intern Sol Developments
Jun 25 2016
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Master's Research Survey

Project Location: United States

I am conducting a survey in affiliation with University of Cincinnati for my Master's thesis which would take just 10-15 minutes of your time. By answering the questions that are relevant to your experience, would help me in giving my research the required depth in understanding the achievability of the credit points in the Material and Resource category of LEED v2009 and v2013.

The following is the link to complete the web based questionnaire.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/XR3ZVZN
Thank you in advance for your time!

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Sarah Sachs Buro Happold
Jun 16 2016
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LEED Pilot Credit 30

Project Location: United States

We are pursuing v2009 certification on an office building for this credit using Pilot Credit 30 for bicycle routes (alternative compliance path); however, since this project started the pilot credit has been archived. Are we able to continue pursuing this credit, or is the option no longer available?

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Sebastian Stumvoll WSP Parsons Brinckerhoff
Jun 07 2016
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Possible Points for Europe?

Project Location: Germany

We are pursuing LEED credits for a Workshop/Office Building in Munich Germany. The projekt site is located less than a 1/2 mile walking distance from a railway station, so requirement ist fulfilled. Is ist possible to get 6 points for this credit like in US?

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group Jun 08 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

Hi Sebastian,
I believe so but I am not that familiar with the international ACP's, so I would be sure to confirm in the reference guide supplement for Europe if you haven't already.

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Rita Haberman Brightworks
May 13 2016
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Shuttle Bus Periodic Service

Has anyone received a review comment saying that the shuttle buses must be available during periodic times throughout the day, in addition to most frequent commuting hours?

Our project has a shuttle bus taking occupants to mass transit stations approximately 6 hours of the day during peak commuting periods. We received a comment that we also need to show a shuttle showing periodic service. The above reference guide comment about requirements for shuttle buses and the LEED addendum published 4/1/12, there is no mention of requiring service during periodic hours.

I am wondering where this came from. Does anyone know? If it's in a LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org., do you think it's possible to make an argument that this is not posted in the reference guide or LEED addenda therefore we should not be subject to the requirements?

Thank you.

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group May 13 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

Hi Rita,

Per the reference guide shuttle buses must connect to public transit and operate during the most frequent commuting hours. I believe this is also restated in several interpretations.

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Rita Haberman Brightworks May 13 2016 LEEDuser Member 146 Thumbs Up

Marilyn,

Our shuttle is operating during the most frequent commuting hours and connects to public transit. My question is about offering periodic service. We got a review comment stating that in addition to operating during frequent commuting hours, it must also operate during periodic times throughout the day. Where is this stated?? I have not seen this requirement before.

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group May 13 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

I am not aware of this requirement nor have I received any review comments stating the periodic service. Have you tried reaching out to GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). directly for them to clarify?

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Landry Watson DPR Construction May 19 2016 LEEDuser Member 95 Thumbs Up

Language on this exists in LIR 615 & 618 - "According to SS Credit 4.1 CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide submitted 1/8/2003 (2/4/2003 ruling), LEED will accept the establishment of a permanent private shuttle service "to connect the buildings(s) and the bus routes to achieve this credit. If a shuttle is used, provide information on the distance to bus routes and to building(s), schedule and frequency of operation, and shuttle capacity." Schedule and frequency must be adequate to service employee ridership during standard commuting times for all shifts, as well as periodic service at other times. Also reference the credit ruling dated 9/20/2002. Applicable Internationally."

That being said, it isn't clear to me why the shuttle would need to provide additional service defined by "periodic service at other times". If you are already servicing the occupants and potential visitors of your project - why is additional "periodic" service necessary...and how much is "periodic"?

@Rita - Will you post the verbatim reviewer comment so we can see the full context?

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Rita Haberman Brightworks Jun 09 2016 LEEDuser Member 146 Thumbs Up

@Landry here you go. I wish they referenced that LI in their response otherwise we would not know how to find that requirement. I wrote an argument back saying since this is not part of the reference guide or addenda, and is not clearly stated unless you go digging for it, it should not be a requirement; we'll see if that works :)

The LEED Form states that the project complies with Option 2: Bus Station Proximity via a permanent private shuttle bus that provides direct access to at least one commuter rail, light rail, subway station, bus rapid transit station, or commuter ferry terminal per the LEED BD+C v2009 Reference Guide and Correction published on 4/1/2012. However, to demonstrate compliance, the following must be addressed.

TECHNICAL ADVICE
1. Provide a narrative describing how the shuttle service is available to all LEED project occupants. Note that the guidance in LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. 10005 has been superseded by Reference Guide Correction #100001163 and is no longer applicable to 2009 projects. Refer to the LEED BD+C v2009 Reference Guide and Addenda published on 4/1/2012 for a full list of requirements.

2. The provided transit schedule indicates that the shuttle only operates in the morning and the afternoon (we confirmed it operates during peak commuting hours, i.e. 6-10 am and 3-7 pm and showed how it connects to other transportation options). Provide revised documentation confirming that the service operates frequently enough to effectively connect to public transportation options. Demonstrate that the shuttle schedule and frequency are adequate to service employee ridership during standard commuting times for all shifts, as well as periodic service at other times.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes Professional, JLL Jun 09 2016 Guest 6375 Thumbs Up

Thanks for posting this. It seems overly harsh to me.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes Professional, JLL Jun 09 2016 Guest 6375 Thumbs Up

The guidance on shuttles needs to be clearer.

there are at least 5 LIs that reference shuttles.

Do projects need to comply with just 1 or all 5?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes Professional, JLL Jun 09 2016 Guest 6375 Thumbs Up

I have some projects in design right now and we are probably going to look into submitting a credit interpretation to make sure our shuttle meets the credit requirements. Good luck in your final review. I hope you can get some clarification from GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). about this!

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Febin Mohamed Graduate Engineer
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Campus approach

Project Location: Kuwait

' LEED will accept the establishment of a permanent private shuttle bus to a place where there is direct access to rail or two or more bus lines'

Can this be applied to a project going for Multiple Building approach?

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group May 06 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

Febin, yes but be sure your shuttle meets the criteria per addendum published 4/1/12: "provide direct access to transit facilities within 2 miles of the project site, approximately a 5-10 minute drive, and must be available to all project occupants."

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Febin Mohamed Graduate Engineer Jun 16 2016 Guest 6 Thumbs Up

Thank you so much for your reply Marilyn.
Is there any criteria that must be followed for the shuttle bus within the project site, i.e., where the shuttle bus stop should be provided within the site or any such criteria.

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group Jun 16 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

1/4 mile

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J Douglas Dietrich
May 04 2016
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Shuttle between building and secured site entrances

Project Location: United States

Distance from LEED building to public transit stops is too far to meet requirements, however distance from the guardhouse gate controlling access to the secured site on which the LEED building is located would meet the requirements. What's the likelihood LEED reviewers will accept the guardhouse gate point as the "entry" from which the distances are measured? What if owner provides a shuttle from the guardhouse gate to the LEED building to in essence bridge the gap? The shuttle could be set up to accommodate all workers, transporting them at the beginning and end of each shift.

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group May 06 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

Hi Douglas,

As the credit explicitly says "from the main entrance of the building" I would say this might be tough to get approved. I don't know how far the guard gate entrance is from the building main entrance but I would imagine that could factor in as well. If you still feel your project meets the intent of the credit, you can always submit a narrative stating your case for alternative compliance path.

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Michael Wahjudi ESD Consultant Kaer Pte Ltd
Mar 02 2016
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Private bus line for public use?

Project Location: Singapore

Hi all, I have received reply from LEED reviewer stating that "campus or private bus line that falls within onequarter mile of the project site must provide transportation service to the public in order to meet the requirements." On the other hand the requirement indicate "Bus Station Proximity and is located within one-quarter mile walking distance of one or more stops for two or more public, campus, or private bus lines usable by building occupants." It is contradict between the requirement and the reply, where the requirement indicates building occupants but the review indicates public. Since the building is providing private bus lines that well connected with the public transportation for building occupants. Any thoughts on this matter?

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group Mar 02 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

Michael,

The sentence that you quote above includes private lines so as not to penalize private bus operators that serve the public along dedicated routes like a public bus. However, they must be accessible to the public to qualify. In order to meet this credit you must have bus lines that fall within the LEED approved and defined options.

Private shuttles are acceptable and are defined as point to point, picking up occupants and taking them directly to a nearby train stop, for example, and cannot travel more than 2 miles. See addendum 100001163 for more information.

Note that private buses that act more like a vanpool service (pick up and drop off employees at different locations) do not qualify for this credit. The intent is reward projects who locate in already developed, dense areas and take advantage of existing public transportation.

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Michael Wahjudi ESD Consultant, Kaer Pte Ltd Mar 02 2016 Guest 113 Thumbs Up

Marilyn, Thanks for your input. Based on the addendum 10001163, we are compliance. Since the private shuttle buses are well connected to public transit facilities for all building occupants. We are worried that the private shuttle bus should provide transport services for public other than the building occupants.

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Jose Dehitta
Feb 29 2016
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Walking distance from the barracks

Project Location: United States

Our project is a cafeteria which is inside the military base. All the soldiers walks from their barracks to eat or pick up food at the cafeteria. Can we use Option #2 to get 6 points? How do we justify this option? Do we need to show a vicinity plan showing the barracks distance from the cafeteria?

Sometimes if there are a lot of military students, the military bus will drop them off to the main entrance. We also have a Bus parking available. We also have reserved parking for Fuel Efficient cars and car pooling. Thank you.

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group Feb 29 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

Hi Jose,
Where is the bus stop? To earn this credit via Option 2 you would need to provide a map to scale clearly showing the walking distance between your project and the bus stops is 1/4 mile or less.

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Jose Dehitta Feb 29 2016 Guest 8 Thumbs Up

Actually it's inside the Military base. There's no Public transportation. All soldiers in training just needs to walk to the cafeteria. Thanks Marilyn.

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group Feb 29 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

For some reason your initial comment was only showing partially before. I see the full comment now. Assuming the walking distance complies, it sounds like you are on the right track.

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Kerrie Racicot
Dec 30 2015
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EP for Subway Stations

Hi there! Our project is located within 1/2 mile walking distance of a subway station that serves multiple lines. The Credit Language uses the term "station", however the EP languages uses the term "line". Does my project qualify for EP if it is within 1/2 mile of one subway station serving multiple lines with >200 transit rides per day? Thank you!

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Marilyn Specht Sustainability Consultant, Integral Group Jan 12 2016 LEEDuser Expert 212 Thumbs Up

Hi Kerrie,
I think the intent is that it's a large stop for the transit system, ie people can get to many places by using it, therefore, making it more attractive to project occupants and likely to be utilized more than SOV. I would recommend clearly demonstrating the distance from your project, total rides per day, and the multiple lines serving this point. Without knowing your particular locations and project specifics, if you can clearly show compliance with each of those I would imagine you are in good shape. Again, the key is to demonstrate this is a useful transportation location for project occupants resulting in reduced pollution impacts from automobiles so I'd focus on multiple lines serviced.

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Karim Farah Sustainability Manager / USGBC Faculty Dar Al-Handasah
Oct 07 2015
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Shuttle bus

Project Location: United Arab Emirates

“ The project (a private factory) is seeking to fulfill the credit requirement of the credit SS Credit 4.1 – Alternative Transportation – Public Transportation access) . The owner company decided to establish a private shuttles that will pass by the nearest bus transportation station. Unfortunately, It was found that there will be only 1 operating Line bus near the project at the date of the project operation. Knowing that the intent of the credit is to reduce the use of private cars, the owner company decided to establish dedicated private shuttles that will make sure to pick-up all employees from their home to the Factory/ passing through the nearby bus station. By this means, more than 75% of the employees will not need to come by their private cars to the work every day. Can this be an alternative path to fulfil the credit requirements knowing that in few months/ or years of occupancy several others public transportation stations ( bus / rail stations) already planned will be established and operated.”

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 25 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Karim, please see the FAQ above about shuttle buses. I think it provides the specifications you need to determine whether this fits your project.

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Valentin Grimaud Thermal Engineer, TERAO Green Building Engineering Jan 05 2016 LEEDuser Member 1250 Thumbs Up

Shall we separate "private bus" and "shuttle bus"? I don't think that should be denied according to the requirements on "shuttle bus" in this case since the dedicated private bus is designed for reducing pollution and land development impacts from automobile use which is the intent of this credit. The most of worker's private cars will not be used in this case.
Am i right?

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Justin Schwartzhoff GGLO
Sep 21 2015
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Seasonal Public Transit

Our project is on a campus within a college town. During the time when students are active on campus (Fall through Spring), several bus lines operate within a 1/4mile of the site. However, during summer months, the number of applicable stops drops to one, as most students have left the area. Given that this is a campus building, which would function primarily during times of student activity, we are curious if a seasonal bus route would comply. Has anyone encountered a similar situation and be able to provide guidance?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Justin, I see some possible objections here from GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC).. One, what about staff? Two, what about out of season uses for the building such as special events or camps during the summer? Will these be served by mass transit?

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Annalise Reichert Project Manager stok
Sep 03 2015
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Definition of Main Building Entrance

I am working on a project that has a main lobby entrance and another side entrance. The main lobby entrance is just over 1/4 mile walking distance from the nearest bus stop, while the side entrance is within the 1/4 mile requirement. Building users will have access to the side entrance, however this is not the "main lobby" entrance. Can we use the side entrance to meet the intent of the requirement, since building users still have access into the building through that entrance?

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Jon Clifford LEED-AP BD+C, GREENSQUARE Sep 03 2015 LEEDuser Expert 4733 Thumbs Up

Take a close look at the credit language. Both US options say to measure walking distance “from A main building entrance,” not from THE main entrance.

The LEEDv2009-BD+C Reference Guide also says in the SSc4.1 “Calculations” paragraph, “If the building has multiple main or public entrances, project teams can measure walking distances from multiple building entrances.”

Note that all these are “walking” distances, not as-the-crow-flies radii: http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs8599.pdf. Also note that projects outside the US can also use an additional “Rideshare” option that measures walking distance the same way.

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Margaret Manuel Tetra Tech
Sep 01 2015
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International Military Bases

Project Location: Djibouti

Under the credit language for this credit, option 2 – there is NO MENTION of the words “public transportation.” It is clearly identified under options #1 & #3.
Our project at Camp Lemonier, Djibouti, Africa is a military installation /campus. We clearly illustrated 2 campus buses circulating throughout the military base, with more than 2 bus stops for each of 2 bus routes within ¼ mile of our project dormitory.
I’m aware of LEED addendum published 4/1/12, which states "provide direct access to transit facilities within 2 miles of the project site, approximately a 5-10 minute drive, and must be available to all project occupants." However, it doesn’t clearly denote that this addendum is applicable to all 3 options. The addendum was added to the second paragraph on page 43 with regard to “private shuttle buses.”
I don’t consider our buses to be applicable “private shuttle buses.”
Is it fair to be denied this credit under option 2, on a military installation for not denoting a “public transit facility?” I don’t want to pay $500 to appeal this credit if the reviewer is wrong. Djibouti is not the kind of place that has public buses or rail lines.
Ironically, the Djibouti International airport is directly adjacent to / connected to our military base, Camp Lemonier. This airport has international flights - in/out daily. Do I need to pay $500 in protest, to merely point out the location of the international airport, and the fact that most residents on the base or others visiting who desire to fly internationally would likely be flying for “free” on military flights using the same airport?

6 points is too many points to lose at the end of a project! Ouch! Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

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Margaret Manuel Tetra Tech Sep 28 2015 LEEDuser Member 123 Thumbs Up

I submitted an inquiry to USGBC and was told twice they'd provide a response, which I was hoping...could have been more/less independent from the review. They never specifically did. In the meantime, I submitted additional documentation for Construction review. The response was further denied, "Because there were outstanding issues with the submitted
strategy after the second review, an appeal will be necessary if the project wishes to pursue this credit." "issues" ...would have been nice to know a little more. I surrender, and throw in my white flag. It's not worth the effort, project was contractually required to receive Silver, we got it...I'll let go. We could have received Gold - - given a little understanding about "transit" (local buses and trains) in a war torn area such as the Middle East. The TPLF regime bombed the railway in 2011.

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Margaret Manuel Tetra Tech Nov 18 2015 LEEDuser Member 123 Thumbs Up

On 11/12/2015, I received the following response from GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC).: "We deeply apologize for the delay in responding to you. This ruling has been a topic of intense discussion by our GBCI subject matter experts over the past several weeks. Our experts have agreed that this project was not a good candidate for achievement of SSc4.1. For future projects that may share characteristics with this project, the team may wish to request a project-specific Credit Interpretation Ruling (CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide) prior to submission for review of a proposed alternate compliance path to meet the requirements of this credit."

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Lourdes Salinas THREE Consultoría Medioambiental
Aug 25 2015
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Main entrance and LEED Project Boundary for Future Expansion

Project Location: Mexico

Hi everyone, we are pursuing the LEED Core & Shell certification for a Campus Project. We received the preliminary design review for the projects inside the LEED Campus Boundary. The reviewers mentioned that we must also submit the credit compliance for the future expansion of an actual constructed project. This future expansion will be most probably be connected within the interiors to the first stage.

Initially the project future expansion was specified with one main entrance but at this moment the owner did not like to include this entrance and therefore we need to document the future expansion with the same entrance as the first stage.

1.We can use the same main entrance door? Even if the future expansion date of construction remain unknown in this moment and the main entrance is in another LEED Project Boundary (is planned that both projects will share the interiors in the future).

2.We are considering two LEED project boundaries, one for the first stage and another for the future expansion. What could be better for the project, maintain both project boundaries or merged them in one sigle LEED Project Boundary? We initially thought that the project could be leased to another tertiary but knowing that it is most likely to be leased for the first stage client what could be the best solution.

3. We think the solution is to maintain both project boundaries and explain the situation as a special circumnstance in the credit compliance narratives for the future expansion.

Thanks and greetings

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Lourdes, I would be looking at this at the level of the project information forms. Clarify the LEED boundary for all credits right up front, and then credit documentation will be more clear from there. Since the situation is somewhat complicated, it would easily be worth getting GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). sign-off on the boundary before you spend a lot of time on documentation.

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LEEDme STRATEGIE SRL STRATEGIE SRL
May 22 2015
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Exemplary performance

Our project is a renovation located near a metro station and near four bus stop. We're trying to pursue an ID credit with exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements., we have more than 700 rides per day (270 by metro and 501 by bus).
We attempt SSc4.2 and SSc4.4 (with no new park option), but we don't attempt SSc4.3.
LEEDonline shows exemplary performance compliance for SSc4.1 only if we attempt all SSc4 group credits.
Is all SSc4 credits compliance required to obtain SSc4.1 exemplary performance with double bus stop and more than 200 rides per day?

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Noriko Yasuhara Woonerf Inc. Aug 12 2015 LEEDuser Member 2936 Thumbs Up

Hello,

There is no need to achieve all SSc4 credits in order to obtain SSc4.1 exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements.. Be sure to check "Option 2. Double Transit Ridership" on the LEED Online Form.

Hope it helps.

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Cindy Estrada LEED AP BD&C SDS Architects, Inc.
Apr 29 2015
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Planned City Bus Stop and Shuttle?

Project Location: United States

I've seen a few postings but no solid information on whether or not GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). will accept verified plans for either a shuttle bus and/or a planned additional bus stop to an existing route. I have project that can see investing in providing a shuttle if the city provides an additional route/stop to cover our project site. I know for light rail the reference guide says planned and funded, has anyone had experience with the bus side of this?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Green Globes Professional, JLL Apr 29 2015 Guest 6375 Thumbs Up

I had a confused LEED reviewer reject SSc4.1 on one of my projects because they thought a bus stop was "planned" when it was actually already in existence. This was the language provided in the review comment "Note that bus routes that are not existing may not contribute to this credit. The allowance for lines that are planned and funded to be counted toward this credit applies only to rail lines."

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Jeff Ross-Bain, PE, LEED Fellow Principal Ross-Bain Green Building
Mar 20 2015
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Only one bus line, but within an extensive public trans system

Project Location: United States

Hi All,
I know there are numerous variations on this issue but I do feel compelled to open another...
Our project, located deep within a densely occupied major US city, has bus stops nearby but only for a single bus line. However, surrounding this site, starting at 0.28 mile, are numerous bus stops and routes (at least 7 bus routes) that are part of the robust and extensive public transportation system that includes rail and subway. Does anyone know of a LEED review that would acknowledge that the site is within a major, intensive and extensive large city transport system but misses the 1/4 mile 2-bus requirement by a few feet and perhaps accept that the intent of this credit is met? By the way, the single bus line nearby is a major, frequent and highly used route.
Thanks!

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Akshat Patel Oct 23 2015 Guest 33 Thumbs Up

Hello, I am in a similar situation. Did you ever learn the answer to your question?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Jeff, I think you have a reasonable case but since it does not meet the LEED requirements you'll need to get GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). approval, through a LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org., or just direct communciation.

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Weidong Luo Ecotech International
Jan 21 2015
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200 rides per day required for shuttle buses?

Project Location: China

Private shuttles are employed to satisfy SSc4.1 on our project.
We're also trying to pursue an ID credit with exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. Option 2 Double Transit Ridership and wonder whether the requirement of 200 or more rides per day is for the private shuttles or the public buses that have been brought closer to the projet?
Any advice will be appreciated.
David

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Weidong, I am not sure if you can earn the EP point with shuttles. The Reference Guide language says that only rail and bus lines are allowable. I would check with GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). to see if this will work.

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Weidong Luo Ecotech International
Jan 19 2015
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shuttle buses

Project Location: China

there are 8 stops/stations within 1 mile radius form our project serving 47 public bus/light rail lines, and 2 of them are municipal public transportation hubs that connect the vicinity to downtown areas. All these buses/light rail can provide at least 2,500 transit rides a day.

Shuttles bring the 8 stops/stations closer to the project. Staff and transients can get to them within 10 minutes via 2 shuttle lines. Besides, the capacity, schedule and frequency of shuttle service are adequate for all project occupants.

The above generally describes how our project is going to seek SSc4.1. Can anybody advise if it works? And, can the 8 stops with more than 2,500 rides per day contribute to exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. Option 2 -DoubleTransit Ridership as they are beyond 1/4 miles distance?

Many thanks!

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Noriko Yasuhara Woonerf Inc. Feb 08 2015 LEEDuser Member 2936 Thumbs Up

Hi Weidong,

Please be sure to calculate only rail stations within 1/2 mile and bus stations within 1/4 mile of the project main entrance. GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). may not accept transportation outside the distances stipulated. You may try to convince them if there are special reasons though.

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Evan Griffiths Planning Engineer Louis Berger
Dec 22 2014
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Exemplary Performance

Would a subway station seeking LEED certification be likely to receive Exemplary PerformanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. for SSc4.1 by submitting a Comprehensive Transportation Management Plan? The purpose of a metro is to reduce personal automobile use after all.

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Jon Clifford LEED-AP BD+C, GREENSQUARE Dec 27 2014 LEEDuser Expert 4733 Thumbs Up

Evan—A major urban transit authority should have the resources and clout to put together a comprehensive Transportation Management Plan (TMP) that “demonstrates a quantifiable reduction in personal automobile use through the implementation of multiple alternative options.” Ideally, the TMP should incentivize various modes of alternative transportation (busses, bikes, carpools, etc.).

Unfortunately, the BD+C Reference Guide says little about TMPs, but there have been a number of LEED Interpretations that offer examples of strategies. See LIs #532, 5415, 1444, 1590, 2110, 5136, 2371, & 5216 on the USGBC Addenda Database (http://www.usgbc.org/leed-interpretations?keys=532). Just beware that these are old Interpretations. The “Innovation” threshold may have risen.

Also, for LEEDusers members, the “Resources” tab above offers some TMP examples and tools.

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Sarah Lavalliere
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Number of bus stops and bus lines required

Project Location: Canada

There seem to be a slight difference in the wording between the English version of the LEED 2009 CS Canada reference guide and its French translation. For one project, there are two bus lines with a bus stop each within a 400 m walking distance from the main entrance of the building. However, the French translation states that there should be at least one stop for at least 2 lines with frequent service within a 400 m walking distance. I was wondering if the credit could be obtained if there are 2 bus stops with one line each with frequent service or if it is required to have one stop for at least 2 bus lines with frequent service.

OPTION 2. BUS STOP PROXIMITY (6 points)
Locate the project within 400 metres (¼ mile) walking distance (measured from a main building entrance) of 1 or more stops for 2 or more public, campus, or private bus lines with frequent service usable by building occupants.

OPTION 2: Proximité d'un arrêt d'autobus
Implanter le projet à une distance de marche d'au plus 400 m d'au moins un arrêt d'au moins 2 trajets d'autobus publics, scolaires ou privés qui offrent un service fréquent que peuvent utiliser les occupants du bâtiment (distance mesurée à partir de l'entrée principale d'un bâtiment).

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Sarah, I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with the subtleties of translation versions of LEED Canada! I would check with GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). on something like this.

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Melissa Hill
Sep 29 2014
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Shuttle service definition?

I'm working on a new construction project under the 2009 version and we recently received our preliminary review comments. We attempted option 2 of this credit, but were denied because the bus routes closest in proximity to the site are different directions of the same bus line (Line 52). The reviewer suggested we look into the recent Addenda that allows a shuttle service to a second bus line.
There is an additional bus stop located well within 2 miles of the project site that connects to Line 52. Can we consider the public bus Line 52 as a shuttle that provides access to additional lines? The additional bus stop provides access to 3 different bus lines, which would allow us to meet the credit requirements.

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Meghan Ward Architectural Technologist, Sustainable Design Consultant, Aurecon South Africa Aug 07 2015 LEEDuser Member 142 Thumbs Up

Hi Melissa,

Did you achieve this credit with this description you gave before? We have the same situation with our project.. not sure if the single bus line we have can be considered a shuttle that connects to a second service.

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Mary Kay Project Coordinator Gray Construction
Sep 11 2014
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Prviate Shuttle System Used Solely

We are going to use a private company shuttle system since there is no bus stop within 1/4 mile of the site. Is it permissible to use the shuttle system to transport employees to both of the two separate public bus lines? And, if so, do these lines have to be within 2 miles of the project site AND a 5-10 minute drive? Or can these lines be within 2 miles OR a 5-10 minute drive? In other words, one of the bus lines is more than 2 miles away, but without traffic lights, so the stop is reachable in just under 10 minutes. Thank you.

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Shafqat Hussain LEED Project Manager, SIDEworks Jun 22 2015 Guest 24 Thumbs Up

I am also interested...

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Mary, how far over 2 miles? I think to be safe to meet the requirement you  would want to be 2 miles or less AND 5 to 10 minutes, but it feels like there might be wiggle room. Ultimately it will depend on how GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). views it, and I would check with them.

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Charlie Haas
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Providing Accurate Number of Bus Rides for Exemplary Performance

I am working on a project at a large local university that has both its own large bus system and a municipal bus system. For 99% of the lines, each bus line has both a north and south stop. My confusion comes with accurately counting rides for the LEED form. As an example, I have a bus line that, when looking at the north route, has 97 rides total. The south route has 98 rides (because it runs slightly later than the north). This route also has four stops (two in north direction, two in south direction) within the 1/4 mile radius. Do I start with a total of 195 rides for that line? And do I need to subtract out something for the stops within the radius or will my number for submission be 195 rides?

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Kristina Bach Sustainability Specialist, HGA Sep 11 2014 LEEDuser Member 1999 Thumbs Up

For daily rides - you can only count the number of rides in one direction, not both. While the bus runs in both directions, theoretically your occupants would be taking each direction once (i.e. if you come from the north, you're going to get on the opposite bus to go home). As such, the daily rides are calculated on a route basis, not a direction basis. It also doesn't matter how many times that same route stops within your quarter mile walking distance - as it's all on the same route, it counts as just one daily ride. So for your example, that route would give you a total of 97 daily rides (smaller of the north vs. south total).

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Brian Muldoon Planning Specialist Howard County MD Government
Aug 12 2014
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Please help-your perspective appreciated on transit

Developer creating a local TOD ... not a State of MD endorsed TOD. Proposes a shuttle bus line to convey commuters to commuter rail station. Developer desires credits fo transit availability- this is not public transit.

Would this developer be eligible for transit points with private commuter shuttle transit?

I believe not but how do you think USGBC would interpret?

Thank you

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Brian, there are specific requirements for shuttle services to comply with this credit. See the FAQ above.

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Alicja Bieszyńska Skanska
Aug 06 2014
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Future bus line

Our project is located in a suburb area which is planned for intensive development in the nearest future. Currently it's just a huge undeveloped plot but we're staring together with a few other investments in parallel. For obvious reasons right now there's no bus stop within 1/4 mile but local authorities are planning to create two bus lines that will serve the new buildings. Do you think we could get the points for the SSc4.1 credit if we get a letter from the city where they'll say that they assure that the two bus stops will be created within e.g. one year from now to serve the new investments?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Moderator

Alicja, I don't think so. For this credit I think the lines should be in place.

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Mary Kay Project Coordinator Gray Construction
Aug 05 2014
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Official Building Entrance

Possibly I posed this question under the wrong credit. I posted it under SSc4.2 last week and didn't get a response, so am trying again under this credit. Our project is located at a large airport. The building is surrounded by tall fencing and all employees must enter by foot through the security entrance, which is at the parking lot adjacent to the building. The main door to the bldg. is approximately 145 yds. from the security entrance. No cars or bikes can go through the security gate. Since the security entrance is a forced point of entry, would this be considered our main building entrance? Thanks so much!

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Aug 05 2014 Guest 2041 Thumbs Up

Mary,

There are several LI's that discuss this issue - in particular on military bases. You may want to look them up and hopefully they will provide an answer to your question, if not at least a good place to start. You can find them if you go to the LEED credit library and click on the Interpretations button.

Thank you,

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John Edwards Sustainable Design Coordinator/Sr. Proj. Mgr. Bonstra Haresign Architects
Jul 28 2014
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EP - rail AND bus vs. rail OR bus

The EP Option 2 criteria for SSc4.1 requires 2 rail stations within 1/2-mile OR 2 bus stops serving 4 lines within 1/4-mile, with a minimum of 200 rides per day. Our situation has 1 rail station within 1/2-mile AND 1 bus stop serving 2 lines within 1/4-mile, with a minimum >200 rides per day. I would think that if we provide 1/2 of each of the two alteratives, we're achieving the EP intent of increasing/diversifying the transit opportunities, especially since the number of rides per day exceeds the threshold. Has anyone been successful in making this argument?

Also, based on past discussion threads, we are counting trips in each direction of each line as a ride. We have done this successfully (i.e., without comment) on several past v.3/2009 projects that have been certified. I understand this may not be the case with v4, but can I assume it is still acceptable in v3/2009?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, SS TAG member, GBD Architects Jul 28 2014 Guest 20495 Thumbs Up

John,
The criteria for exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. for this credit was based on interpretation # 5020, which includes the sentence “A combination of rail and bus is allowable.” That sentence doesn’t appear in the v2009 Reference Guide, but I think the intent is still there.

In most cases the proximity of the transit stop (the physical access point to a transit line) and the level of service (# different transit lines and total # of rides or per day) have been the key criteria, more so than the number of stops.

(Think of rides as the number of times a bus is scheduled to serve the stop nearest your project per day for each line, not the total number of riders. And yes, v3 didn’t clarify whether to count rides in both directions for each line, so many 2009 projects do count both, whereas v4 only allows counting the # of rides in one direction. We might assume that’s still allowed for 2009 projects, but hard to say for sure.)

The other key for exemplary performance is showing that you have quadruple, not just double, the level of service that would be provided by a baseline of bus service with 50 rides per day. The more rides per day, and the more transit lines (and geographic coverage) you have the stronger your case for exemplary performance over a baseline.

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