NC-2009 SSc4.1: Alternative Transportation—Public Transportation Access

  • NC_CS_SS4-1_Type3_Pub Transport Diagram
  • Site selection makes all the difference

    Site selection is the key factor in determining how easily a project can qualify for this credit. If your project is located in a densely populated area that is well-served by public transportation, it should be very easy to meet the requirements.

    An all-around good idea

    Facilitating access to public transportation not only brings environmental benefits in the form of reduced greenhouse gas emissions and fewer cars on the road, but it can also reduce commuting costs for building occupants and help attract new hires and retain employees.

    Options for larger projects

    Larger-scale projects may want to consider working with local transit authorities to bring public transportation access near the project site if none already exists. You may not need to ask for an entirely new bus route—some other options include diverting an existing bus route or adding a stop on a route that runs nearby.

    Go by streetcarLocating in neighborhoods with public transit, like Portland, Oregon’s Pearl District, reduces transportation energy use while giving occupants more options. Photo – Reconnecting America If public transportation cannot be brought closer to your project site, you still have the alternative of providing shuttles to existing public transit—either regularly scheduled or on demand. Note that shuttles buses should provide direct access to transit facilities within two miles of the project site, approximately a 5–10 minute drive, and must be available to all project occupants.

    FAQs for SSc4.1

    What are the requirements for shuttle buses?

    Per the LEED Reference Guide, they must connect to public transit and operate during the most frequent commuting hours.

    Per a LEED addendum published 4/1/12, they must also "provide direct access to transit facilities within 2 miles of the project site, approximately a 5-10 minute drive, and must be available to all project occupants."

    A bus has multiple stops within my 1/4-mile radius. Can I count each of those?

    No, as this doesn't increase service to the LEED project. (Depending on project specifics, you could try to make a case, however.)

Legend

  • Best Practices
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  • Cost Tip

Pre-Design

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  • Selecting a site with easy access to public transportation is the easiest way to earn this credit, so ideally this credit will be considered during site selection. Projects located in dense urban areas generally can qualify, whereas projects located in rural or suburban areas, where public transportation infrastructure is not as developed, may need to facilitate access to existing mass transit nearby, which may in some cases be difficult or expensive.


  • If there are no bus stops or train stations in the project’s immediate vicinity, consider talking to local transit authorities to see if a bus line can be rerouted closer to the project site, or if a bus stop can be added near the building to serve the occupants.


  • There is generally no extra cost for projects with access to existing transportation access or those that request an added bus stop.


  • Establishing a regular shuttle for building occupants to a transportation hub can add additional costs. However, making commuting easier for your employees, or making your building more accessible to customers can pay off in productivity or sales.


  • A transit-oriented project may need less parking area, contributing to SSc4.4: Alternative Transportation—Parking Capacity. You can also reduce your costs for parking construction, maintenance, and stormwater infrastructure and fees.

Schematic Design

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  • Typically, the owner or LEED consultant is responsible for documenting access to public transportation and should identify local stations and bus routes closest to the project, reaching out to local transit authorities if necessary.


  • To document the credit create a vicinity site map, to scale, illustrating the building in relation to the bus lines or rail stations that will be used for compliance. A delineated walking route from the project to the transit stop is also recommended.


  • One commuter train station within a half-mile walking distance is sufficient to meet the credit requirement. This can be a local metro, subway, light rail or long-distance commuter line. Alternatively, two bus lines within ¼ mile walking distance can satisfy the credit requirement. These can be private, public, or campus bus lines.


  • Walking distance must be measured from the main building entrance to the bus stop or rail station. This path must follow sidewalks and other walkable areas. Crossing highways, lawns or other private areas is not considered an acceptable part of pedestrian access.


  • Some projects have two or three “main” entrances from which to measure the distance to bus stops or rail stations. If any one of these entrances is within the required distance, this can qualify your project for the credit. Confirm in the credit narrative which entries are “main” entries.


  • Public, private, or campus bus lines in proximity to the project site can be used for credit compliance as long as building occupants have consistent access at peak times. If there is an existing shuttle that runs nearby to the project site with restricted access, consider talking to bus operators to see if you can get permission for your project occupants to use the shuttle. (See the Documentation Toolkit for an example using a shuttle from the project site.)


  • If a rail station or bus stop that you plan to use for compliance has not yet been built, you will need to provide proof that it will be funded, sited and planned at the time of project completion. (It does not have to be built, however.)


  • A bus line that goes in separate directions (for example, one into town, one out of town), counts as a single bus line, not two, and does not meet the credit requirement for two bus lines. Compliant bus lines must serve two distinct routes. The simplest way to determine this is to verify that the buses display two different route numbers. Two routes that converge near the project and then diverge blocks away count as separate.


  • Consider one of the two options for pursuing an Exemplary Performance point for this credit:

    • Developing a comprehensive transportation management plan. The plan must quantify the reduction of personal automobile use by building occupants due to a variety of alternative transportation options and strategies. This same Exemplary Performance point covers all of the Alternative Transportation credits.
    • Demonstrate access to double the number of train lines or bus lines. The frequency of service at these particular stations must total a minimum of 200 rides daily. (See the Documentation Toolkit for an example.)

  • Documentation of this credit can occur anytime between schematic design and 100% construction documents. Unless your team is pursuing an alternative compliance path, you can document the credit as soon as the locations of your main entries are set.

Construction Documents

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  • Fill in the LEED Online credit form. Document the credit with a site plan highlighting the pedestrian route from the building entrance to the identified bus or train stop or stops. Provide a distance scale to confirm that the building entrance is within the required distance of transit—¼ mile for bus, ½ mile for train.

Operations & Maintenance

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  • Consider providing building occupants with information about public transportation options in the vicinity and instituting programs that promote their use, such as subsidized passes or other financial incentives. This could be part of a wider transportation management plan, which is one available strategy for gaining an Exemplary Performance point under IDc1. To meet this ID point, project teams would have to institute a Comprehensive Transportation Management Plan that promotes the use of alternate transportation and limits the use of personal vehicles.

  • USGBC

    Excerpted from LEED 2009 for New Construction and Major Renovations

    SS Credit 4.1: Alternative transportation - public transportation access

    6 Points

    Intent

    To reduce pollution and land development impacts from automobile use.

    Requirements

    Option 1: Rail station, bus rapid transit station & ferry terminal proximity

    Locate the project within 1/2-mile (800 meter) walking distance (measured from a main building entrance) of an existing or planned and funded commuter rail, light rail, subway station bus rapid transit1 station or commuter ferry terminal.

    OR

    Option 2: Bus stop proximity

    Locate the project within 1/4-mile (400 meter) walking distance (measured from a main building entrance) of 1 or more stops for 2 or more public, campus, or private bus lines usable by building occupants.

    OR

    Option 3. Rideshare proximity

    Projects outside the U.S. may locate the project within 1/4-mile (400 meter) walking distance (measured from a main building entrance) of 1 or more stops for 2 or more existing rideshare options2 that that meet the definition of public transportation3 and are authorized by the local transit authority if one exists.

    1 Bus rapid transit is an enhanced bus system that operates on exclusive bus lanes or other transit rights-of-way; it is designed to combine the flexibility of uses with the efficiency of rail.

    2 Rideshare is a transit service that involves sharing a single vehicle with multiple people, excluding large-scale vehicles such as buses and trains. The rideshare transit facility must include a signed stop and a clearly defined waiting area. Additionally, the rideshare must include an enclosed passenger seating area, fixed route service, fixed fare structure, continuous daily operation, and the ability to pick up and drop off multiple riders. Rideshare options must hold 4 or more passengers, except for human-powered conveyances which must hold 2 or more passengers.

    3Public transportation consists of bus, rail, or other transit services for the general public that operate on a regular, continual basis.

    Potential Technologies & Strategies

    Perform a transportation survey of future building occupants to identify transportation needs. Locate the building near mass transit.

    FOOTNOTES

    1 Bus rapid transit is an enhanced bus system that operates on exclusive bus lanes or other transit rights-of-way; it is designed to combine the flexibility of buses with the efficiency of rail.

    2 Rideshare is a transit service that involves sharing a single vehicle with multiple people, excluding large-scale vehicles such as buses and trains. The rideshare transit facility must include a signed stop and a clearly defined waiting area. Additionally, the rideshare must include an enclosed passenger seating area, fixed route service, fixed fare structure, continuous daily operation, and the ability to pick up and drop off multiple riders. Rideshare options must hold 4 or more passengers, except for human-powered conveyances which must hold 2 or more passengers.

    3 Public transportation consists of bus, rail, or other transit services for the general public that operate on a regular, continual basis.

Web Tools

Walkscore.com

A great site for finding walkable communities and neighborhoods.


Hopstop.com

Subway and bus directions for NY.


Public transportation resources

Find public transportation around your site.


Project for public spaces

List of online resources on encouraging public transportation and space usage.


Institute for Transportation and Development Policy

This is a list of resources on increase of access to public transportation and walkability of cities.


Radius Around a Point

Helps to determine the radius around a project site to determine how many bus stops and other amenities are nearby.

Technical Guides

USGBC guide for campus building

Important to refer to in case of multi-building development.


Guide to transportation management plan

This encyclopedia is a comprehensive source of information about innovative management solutions to transportation problems.

Organizations

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

Government organization dedicated to saving lives, preventing injuries, and reducing vehicle-related crashes.


Walkable Communities Transportation Alternatives

Organization advocating for pedestrians.

Publications

Comprehensive Transporation Management Plan for Seattle Children’s Hospital

A sample plan highlighting enhanced transportation options, including a shuttle to transit system, an innovative bicycle program, and increased financial rewards for employees who commute without driving alone.


Juniper Networks Headquarters Campus Transportation Demand Management Plan

A good example of a transportation plan that has variety of infrastructure and incentive based measures that encourage all forms of alternative mode use: transit/shuttles, carpool/vanpool, bicycling, walking, and telecommuting.

Other

Commuter Program at Juniper Networks

Video of a good transportation plan that highlights company’s mass transit subsidies and telecommuting programs as well as its financial incentives, which helped the company achieve over 24% trip reduction in 2007.

Comprehensive Transportation Management Plan

A comprehensive transportation management plan is one way to earn an Exemplary PerformanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. point under SSc4. 

Vicinity Map

Option 2: Bus Stop Proximity

Use a vicinity map like this to demonstrate your project's proximity to public transit. Include the number and location of stations or lines and the walking distances from main building entrances.

Alternative Compliance Path

This sample narrative (which was approved for a project whose name has been removed) illustrates documentation of an alternative compliance path, in which shuttle service is provided to connect the project building with a light rail station and a public bus line.

Subway Ridership

Exemplary Performance

Exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. was earned for this project by demonstrating proximity to at least two commuter rail lines with over 200 transit rides per day, total. (In this case, 14 subway lines with 2,227 stops per day were documented.)

LEED Online Forms: NC-2009 SS

The following links take you to the public, informational versions of the dynamic LEED Online forms for each NC-2009 SS credit. You'll need to fill out the live versions of these forms on LEED Online for each credit you hope to earn.

Version 4 forms: (newest)

Version 3 forms:

These links are posted by LEEDuser with USGBC's permission. USGBC has certain usage restrictions on these forms; for more information, visit LEED Online and click "Sample Forms Download."

Design Submittal

PencilDocumentation for this credit can be part of a Design Phase submittal.

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Eric Thompson Architect NBBJ
Apr 16 2014
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Alternate Compliance Concept - Thoughts?

We have a situation where our site only has one bus line with a stop within 1/4 mile (though 2 other stops are within 1/2 mile).

However, the one bus line is very frequent and runs all day. We noticed that in the new credit (LT - Access to Quality Transit) in Version 4, they count the overall aggregate of trips and abandon the concept of stops.

Also note that the Exemplary Credit section of the LEED v3 states that "This strategy is based on the assumption that the threshold of the base credit would provide, in most cases, at least 50 transit rides per day". Our daily average is well above that.

This seems to us to meet the intent, and we plan to propose it, but wondered if anyone sees any objection to it or can poke holes in the argument?

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Heather DeGrella Sustainability Coordinator Opsis Architecture
Apr 15 2014
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Walking path through another building

Our project is on a University campus but is not using the campus approach. University students cut through other campus buildings frequently. Would it be acceptable to show the walking route to the bus stop going through another building?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Apr 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 1524 Thumbs Up

Are the buildings open during the same hours? Is the building they'd cut through open to the public? So long as anyone at your LEED project has access to the "cut through" building this seems fair to me. You may be able to find a similar situation in the LEED Interpretations database.

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Heather DeGrella Sustainability Coordinator, Opsis Architecture Apr 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 264 Thumbs Up

Hi Kathryn - very good points. The building is open the same hours and open to the public. Those points would be good to add as a note to the reviewer. Thanks-

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Kelly Searle LEED Green Associate, Sustainable Innovation Specialist Clark Builders
Mar 28 2014
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LEED Canada Option 3 Public & Catholic Joint Use School

We are building a joint use school and trying to determine the likelihood of achieving 3 credits under SSc4.1 Alternative Transportation: Public Transportation Access - Option 3 (Transportation Demand Management Plan). To do this we have to demonstrate a 25% reduction in SOV trips and the school bus is our only option.

Our school has approximately 1200 FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories. so we would require more than 300 students to be using the bus each day to demonstrate a 25% reduction in SOV trips. I believe I read somewhere that you also have to be prepared to prove this is as good or better than other schools in the area.

After speaking to the busing supervisors for each of the schools, I was told that one end user currently has 4 buses servicing the school with approximately 200 students. There is a charge for busing if the student is outside the formation area (kind of the same thing as jurisdiction in public schools) and there is a charge for students who live within walking but want to get on the bus (walking distance is considered under 2.4km from the school.) This would show there is incentive to not take the bus if you don’t have to. It is projected that the new school we are building will have the same number of buses, but will be transporting 230-240 students. This proves better than the first school.

The second end user has confirmed their busing service has approximately 20 buses servicing all the public schools in the town. The buses meet at a common place and students transfer to the bus going to that school. Because of this system, it would probably mean 2 buses will go to this school and as long as those two buses are carrying a reasonable number of students (would need to be 60-70) it would qualify. In fact this would eliminate numerous buses travelling the same roads which greatly reduces greenhouse gas emissions, fuel consumption, and air & water pollution from vehicle.

We could also include some or all of the following information in a report and/or template:
a) A transportation hierarchy example showing modes of transport, including Walking Bicycling, Bus Service, personal vehicle use to show best type of transportation to worst.
b) The school is located in close proximity to many amenities proving that anyone (bused students, those who walk, anyone who has drove) are within walking distance to a variety of choices for lunch.
c) Sidewalks around the school providing safety and comfort to pedestrians which will be cleared on a regular basis throughout the winter.
d) Bike Racks and Showers onsite

Is there something more that I need to attempt this credit? Is there any cost associated with attempting this credit? Based on the information, what is the likelihood of achieving this credit and is it a worthwhile investment to pursue?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Mar 31 2014 LEEDuser Expert 16345 Thumbs Up

Kelly,
My understanding is LEED Canada has its own NC2009 rating system, reference guides, and review body with some differences from the US-based USGBC, so I can't speak for specific differences between the credit requirements and review process besides noting that the point totals and options are slightly different.

Since CaGBC does have the split review option for a design phase and then the construction phase, you could submit this credit with whatever information you currently have and see from your design phase review response if they ask for additional information. Even if you are not doing a split review you'll still have a chance to respond to the reviewers comments and request for additional information.

For your initial submission, you might not need the all the detailed info you list, so you might start with just the information about the bus services, number of riders expected for each, and the method used to predict usage by the busing coordinators and bus services. Your task is to show that the 25% reduction of SOV use is based on bus ridership alone, so primarily you need to show that 300+ bus riders is realistic to expect for your campus and that this is an improvement over the previous campuses and/ or other local schools.

Since your option is worth 3 points, and there don't appear to be any additional costs involved, it sounds worth pursuing.

Hope that helps!

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Michael Smithing Director - Green Building Advisory Colliers International
Mar 19 2014
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Using BD+C SSc4.1 as an EBOM IO credit

We're working on the EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. certification of a building with excellent public transportation. Has anyone attempted to use SSc4.1 as an IO credit in EBOM? We will pursue EBOM SSc4 and conduct an alternative commuting transportation survey as well.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Mar 19 2014 LEEDuser Member 1524 Thumbs Up

I think this should be posted under the EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. Credit?

I don't think documenting SSC4.1 from LEED NC as an EBOM IO credit makes sense. I think it's already covered in the survey credit.

Originally I thought you were asking the other way around. (whether the EBOM survey could be used as an IO credit on an NC project).

I think that might have merit but the narrative would have to be really compelling.

Personally if I were going to attempt this as a credit I would want to document that there was was quantifiable environmental benefit associated with my efforts. I would almost pitch it as incentivizing low-carbon means of transportation and state that you are actively increasing the amount of people who are taking low-carbon means of transportation. Perhaps you could do the survey one day and then the next week tell people that you will give them candy or coffee if they carpooled, took mass transit or drove a low-emitting/fuel efficient vehicle. Then you could measure the difference and argue that your ID credit strategy resulted in quantifiable environmental benefit. I worry that just measuring but not creating any incentive would not be seen as adding any benefit on top of the already existing LEED NC credits regarding transportation. Just my two cents. If you do submit please let everyone know how it goes.

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Farah A.
Mar 01 2014
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School bus stops

If a project is located within 1/4 mile of two school bus lines, will it earn the credit? Or must one of the lines be public?

Thanks!

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Mar 03 2014 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

If you have a project that is other than LEED for Schools at minimum 1 of the bus lines should be a public bus line for your staff etc., as well, the other bus line as a school bus - your building would really want to be a school or a major portion of the project is a school of some sort or entertains school age children for a major potion of their occupants. You would need to provide a narrative describing how many occupants the school buses bring on a daily basis, see LEED for Schools on documenting the use of school buses.

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Neil Rosen Director of Sustainable Development North Shore LIJ Health System
Feb 27 2014
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No "official" bus stops

I'm working on a project that is served by multiple bus lines that do no have traditional bus stops...according to the official schedule the program works on "Hail-a-Bus - Every corner is a bus stop...just give a wave" Would this concept be acceptable for credit compliance?

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Kristina Bach CORE Steward, Cooper Carry Feb 27 2014 LEEDuser Member 642 Thumbs Up

If you have documentation from the public bus company that explains the fact that the bus operates on a hail-a-bus method and include documentation of the route map (so reviewers can see that it does go near your site since there are no official stops), I would think that would be fine.

Just a general question for my own knowledge- how does getting off work in a hail-a-bus system? I.e. will the bus stop at the next immediate corner once the stop cord is pulled? Or are there pre-defined stops for offloading and you can only get on at random corners? I've ridden on systems where the bus wouldn't stop at a predefined stop unless you waved/hailed it, but never one where any corner could be a stop if you waved/hailed it. Just curious :)

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Neil Rosen Director of Sustainable Development, North Shore LIJ Health System Feb 27 2014 LEEDuser Member 543 Thumbs Up

Kristina, Thanks for the quick response. They tell me they will drop off anywhere on the route...The facility that I am working on is actually written on the schedule and shown on the route map

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Apr 01 2014 LEEDuser Member 718 Thumbs Up

Check out ID#10003 MADE ON 05/09/2011, Inquiry 1) Can a bus line be counted if there are no proper stops, but anyone can board by hailing the bus? Ruling: 1) Yes, document that the bus travels an established route at regular times, and that the hailing system is the established means for boarding the bus at the given location.

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Hannah Sokol Senior Associate, Sustainability Group U.S. Equities Realty
Feb 04 2014
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City Bike Share Program

Has anyone ever included a City Bike Share Program as a form of public/ alternative trans for this credit? We are working on a project that will have a bike share docking station very close by and I was curious if this could possibly contribute to achieving exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. for the credit.

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David Eldridge Project Manager, Grumman/Butkus Associates Feb 10 2014 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

We haven't submitted any downtown projects during the "Divvy era" - I think it would be a worthy request of the GBCI though.

Particularly noting that the other Divvy docking stations are at key locations such as the Metra and CTA.

Divvy might contribute through the "comprehensive transportation management plan" part of the credit if you can write up a similar document.

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Guillaume Martel LEED Project Manager, PROVENCHER ROY + ASSOCIÉS ARCHITECTES Feb 11 2014 Guest 5 Thumbs Up

The bike share program hasn't been allowed for a complete replacement of SS4.2 in Canada.

However, I agree that it could be used as part of a comprehensive Transportation management plan.

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Naten Maniktala M.E. GROUP
Dec 11 2013
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Definiition of building entrance

What is the definition of 'building entrance'? If a canopy extends out 150ft from the actual door, can we could the canopy length? Or does the actual door dictate the distance?

Thanks!

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Dec 12 2013 LEEDuser Expert 12198 Thumbs Up

Usually the main building entrance is a door. I'm not sure how the canopy length matters.

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Naten Maniktala M.E. GROUP Dec 13 2013 LEEDuser Member 173 Thumbs Up

Thanks Susan. Has anyone else encountered this dilema?

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E H Sustainability Architect Dec 13 2013 LEEDuser Member 2297 Thumbs Up

Naten, I have not heard of the edge of a canopy being used to delineate the "entrance" to the building. I doubt the GBCI reviewer will accept this.

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Neetika Parmar
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Hi, We are working on a

Hi, We are working on a refinery located in a remote/restricted area and hence there is no public bus access within 1/4 mile of the project. The project however plans to provide shuttle bus to the nearest public bus stops, which is nearly 25 miles to the project for employees and visitors. Can the project still target this credit if we provide a narrative saying its a remote/restricted area and does not have public transport.

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Dec 02 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

There are several LI's that deal with restricted areas such as military bases that may apply to your situation. However 25 miles may be to far for consideration as GBCI typically wants the distance to be no more than 2 miles for the shuttle. You may want to submit a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide to be sure.

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Magda Aghababyan CEO Co-Energi (Pvt) Ltd.
Nov 27 2013
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Distance measurement submission

Hi,

In the submission LEED asks to submit a site plan to scale with the walking path marked on it. But alternatively we can take a screen shot of the google distance (Using Distance Measurement Tool) for submission.

Will this be acceptable?

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Dec 02 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Yes, it should be - however it would benefit to also call out the actual distance as a notation to the image; such as - Walking Distance .23 miles.

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Nilo Regojo
Nov 13 2013
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comprehensive transportation management plan

Our project complies with Option 2 - Bus Stop Proximity. Can we still earn the ID point for Exemplary PerformanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. by instituting a comprehensive transportation management plan?
Are there examples of Comprehensive Transportation Management Plans as described in the Exemplary Performance section of SS Credit 4.1 available for review?

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Dec 02 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Yes you can. But keep in mind you can only earn 1 exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. credit within SSc4.1 thru SSc4.4 by implementing a Comprehensive Transportation Management Plan.

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Krysta Dimick
Sep 18 2013
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Building a Library next to a School

Can a school bus line count as our additional transportation line? In construction right now is a school, in which we are building a public library directly to the east of it (no roads dividing these two properties). We have established an entrance next to the school bus lines, knowing that many of the children will be taking trips to the library and engaging in the library's programs. In LEED for schools, this is able to count as one of the lines, but what about LEED-NC?

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Sep 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Krysta,

It may be possible to use school buses as a second bus line however you would need to prove that the buses bring a significant amount of your occupants on a regular basis. I don't feel bringing students maybe once a week or several times a month would do it. You would need to submit a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide with your calculations to be sure.

Have you searched the LI database for anything similar?

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Mark Kumar Bose Dipl.-Ing., Immobilienökonom (ebs) Masterplan Informationsmanagement GmbH
Sep 10 2013
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Source of EP

Where exactly is the EP for double transit ridership or comprehensive transportation management plan documented?

I could' t find it in "LEED 2009 RS_NC_04.01.13_tracked-1.pdf" nor in "LEED 2009 RS_NC_04.01.13_current.pdf".

Same to SSc2 ...

Thanks, Mark

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Sep 18 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Mark, it's in the LEED Reference Guide.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Sep 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 1524 Thumbs Up

the reference guide doesn't have details about what constitutes a "comprehensive transportation management plan." To get that you need to read LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. #532

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Sean Hogan LEED AP RKD Architects
Sep 04 2013
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Bus Frequency

Our office/labs/pilot plant project will provide a compliant bus stop at the site entrance and a local bus company has agreed to divert an existing bus route which connects the town's rail station, shopping center and community college. However the bus company has only committed to aMonday - Saturday 7-10am and 4-7pm service. The current bus does not operate after 7pm in any case, and is an hourly service between 10 and 4pm so the site is missing out on only 4 bus opportunities.

Will this arrangement satisfy credit requirements?

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Sep 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Sean,

It sounds like you are in between Option 1 and Option 2, but it would seem more likely to achieve via Option 1.

Option 1 - it sounds like your diverted bus route may achieve compliance as it would assume the role of a shuttle per several LEED Interpretations and it connects to a rail station. The diverted bus route would need to be in place prior to your Construction Review. The time frames of the diverted bus route also sound like they would comply with what LEED refers to as the"most frequent commuting hours". The rail station would also have to be within 2 miles from the shuttle stop at your project.

The no Sunday service on the shuttle may be an issue - I have received some interesting comments lately about having consistent bus/shuttle service 7 days a week. You may want to submit a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide to verify as I feel it may depend on who your reviewer is.

You may also pursue via Option 2 using the Shuttle in the same way as your 2nd bus line but you would still have the no Sunday issue.

Hope this helps.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Sep 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 1524 Thumbs Up

Is the building open on the weekends? Who cares if there is service to and from a building that will be locked ;)

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Sep 19 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

That is what our argument is, the public transportation system on our project doesn't offer the same breadth of service on the weekends and it does provide service on Sunday just not to the same extent as M-F. If your project's main operating hours are M-F why does the weekend have to have the same extent of service? The reference guide language only speaks to "the most frequent commuting hours". One thing we are looking at is all the LI's written on this subject as well as addendum - we cannot find anything that references the language "7 days a week". We are still in discussions with GBCI on this issue. You can see where I posted a question on this subject back in July. I will follow up once we have resolution one way or another - hopefully soon.

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Tiffany Moore LEED Documentation Consultant, Built Kansas City LLC Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Member 624 Thumbs Up

Donald, was your issue resolved? I'm facing a very similar review comment. We have begun to assemble our argument, which is very similar to yours. I'm curious as to whether you were successful defending the commuting hours point.

Thanks

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Tiffany - thanks for the reminder. Yes we were successful in achieving this credit. The only comment provided was as follows: "An appeal narrative including a transit schedule and revised shuttle schedule has been provided to address the issues outlined in the Design Final Review. The narrative verifies that the shuttle schedule aligns with the public transit schedule and meets commuter needs. The documentation demonstrates credit compliance."

We were able to show that the project shuttle schedule aligned with the public transportation schedule for all 7 days of the week, even though the weekend traffic/schedule was less than the weekday traffic/schedule.

Hope that helps.

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Tiffany Moore LEED Documentation Consultant, Built Kansas City LLC Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Member 624 Thumbs Up

Donald - Yes, that's very helpful. I believe our case can also justify the services available to the building. If I receive any additional direction, I'll post as well.

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Good luck!

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jan 06 2014 LEEDuser Member 1524 Thumbs Up

the "frequency" / 7 days a week requirement appears In LI #10207

"the situation described does not meet the intent of the credit. In order for the ferry to serve as a shuttle to connect building occupants to a larger public transportation network, the ferry must provide direct service and operate at a frequency and capacity to serve the occupants of the building, including evening and weekend service, and is reasonably coordinated with the subway and rail service schedule. Additionally, the cumulative walking distance must meet the credit requirements."

I guess the argument is that even if your building operates 5 days a week, a change in ownership could open the building up on the weekends. Seems like splitting hairs to me. Transit schedules probably change more than building owners for NC projects...

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Brett Beckemeyer AIA, LEED-AP, BD&C Fox Architects
Aug 27 2013
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Accessible Bus Stop

Our project has several bus stops within the 1/4 mile radius, and what I would consider to be the most direct route along the street to the stops is also within 1/4 mile walking distance. However, for a portion of the walking path (about 1/10 mile) there is no sidewalk or other pedestrian friendly route from the building to the bus stop. I can't find anything that says that the route has to be predefined with a sidewalk or path just that it must be within the 1/4 mile. Can anyone tell me if I'm over thinking it, or whether they will require some type of predefined path in order for these stops to be compliant?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 02 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Brett, I'm not sure it matters but I feel like it's useful to ask—do people in reality use this route as a pedestrian path, or for all intents and purposes, is it not a pedestrian path? If it's not, then I think clearly it should not qualify under this credit.

If it is used by pedestrians safely, then I think the vagueness of the credit requirements play to your advantage and you should be able to make a case for it.

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Tammy Dalton President Tamara Dalton Design Studios
Aug 23 2013
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Assisted Living Facility- private bus to public transit terminal

I'm working on an NC assisted living facility with a bus transit terminal within a 1/2 mile of the property (not the 1/4 mile requirement). The terminal is a hub where multiple bus routes can be accessed. If the building owner creates a private bus service for the residents, visitors, and employees on a set schedule that goes to and from the facility and the bus terminal, will that be enough to earn the public transportation access points? Would they have to also have a private bus route that goes elsewhere to meet the 2 bus lines requirement? And finally, does it matter if it is scheduled or on demand? The homepage of this section clearly says the transit can be on demand? Does anybody have any advice for me? Thank you!!

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Sep 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Tammy,

Using Option 1, you should achieve credit compliance with what you already have as long as the 1/2 mile is walking distance via sidewalks not as the crow flies. It sounds like your bus station is what Option 1 calls a bus rapid transit station and as long as there are 2 or more bus lines from that station that travel on a regular basis or as LEED refers it as the "most frequent commuting hours".

However as the project is an assisted living facility I feel the shuttle is a good move. There are several CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide's which deal with using a shuttle to a bus rapid transit station, you can find them in LEED Interpretations, however these are related to those projects whereby you find yourself greater than 1/2 mile from the station.

Hope this helps.

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Ryan McEvoy Owner Gaia Development
Aug 23 2013
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Double Transit Ridership

For project pursuing double transit ridership, can rides in both directions be counted? For example, a bus line has 50 trips going west and 50 trips going east. Would that count as 100 trips or 50 trips?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 02 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Ryan, I would count that as 100 trips.

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Eric Thompson Architect, NBBJ Apr 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 276 Thumbs Up

This may not be applicable, but LEED v4 - Access to Quality Transit specifically says that this would be 50 trips: "For each qualifying transit route, only trips in one direction are counted towards the threshold."

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Peter Doo President Doo Consulting, LLC
Aug 20 2013
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Environmental Center serves students.

I am advising an environmental education center that is in a town not served by public transportation. This is not a facility serving the general public on a walk-in basis. All programs are provided to classes of students ALL of whom arrive and depart by buses provided by their schools. There are few staff, nearly all of whom are local and walk or ride bikes to the facility. The facility is walking distance to other areas used by the Center such as a nearby dock.
In this case, will the fact that all transportation to and from the facility is by bus qualify the project for SSc4.1 Public Transportation Access?

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Aug 21 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Peter,

We have a similar project and for Option 2 you may be able to use the school buses for 1 of the required 2 bus lines - see LEED for Schools SSc4.1. You would however still need that second bus line with a stop within a 1/4 mile of the building entrance. We ended up not pursuing this credit so I cannot provide any reviewer comments.

Hope this helps.

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Randy Weatherly Architect/Landscape Architect Ambler Architects
Aug 11 2013
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Owner Provided Bus System

I am currently working on the primary field office for the Eagle Ford field in Texas. This facility will be the headquarters for all activities within this field plus will serve as an operation center for offshore and Houston Operations if Houston has to be evacuated because of a hurricane. This facility will be located 1 1/2 hours southeast of San Antonio, Texas, just outside of a very small town without any public transportation whatsoever.
The Main headquarters for this company is located in Houston approximately 3 hour drive from the project site. Once this facility is up and running there will be a steady flow of employees and others traveling from Houston to the site and back each week. To facilitate the transport of these employees, contractors and visitors to the site a bus transit system will be established to this site, similar to those at the other owners facilities. It is planned to have a 50 passenger bus for this route. It has been estimated that Monday and Friday routes will carry approximately 30 or more passengers. This bus will travel between the site each and every day moving people, mail and supplies.
So my question, this Owner owned bus system will transport many employees, customers, contractors and visitors between these sites each day thus reducing the number of cars traveling back and forth this 3 hour drive, reducing emissions, fuel consumption, and improved safety for these individuals. Can this option be used as an alternative solution for the SSc4.1 - Alternative Transportation and is there anything I need to be aware of applying for this credit? Any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Aug 14 2013 LEEDuser Expert 16345 Thumbs Up

Randy,
For a special circumstance like this, you'll probably need to get a CIR to know for certain if you'll earn the credit, and given the number of points at stake that could be worth it. It’s been said “not all credits may apply to all projects,” but it sounds like there is a substantial effort to reduce single occupant vehicle use. The more you can do to quantify that and account for different users the better your chance of getting this approved.

Some issues to consider:

Will all users of the site be coming from Houston and have the option to use the buses? What percent of users are expected to come via bus? Does the bus service coincide with all work shifts or are some workers not going to be able to use the bus because of schedules? Who will be visitors to the site? How secure is access to the site, and what is the process for getting permission to enter? Are there contractors, maintenance staff, or service providers not coming from Houston who won’t have access to the buses? Are those people driving service vehicles/ equipment to the site and couldn’t use transit if it was available?

You could start by submitting a technical question via email to the GBCI customer service: www.gbci.org > Help > Email Us > About Project Registration and Certification. That’s also where you can submit a CIR when you are ready.

Hope that helps - post back here with any other questions.

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Mar 04 2014 LEEDuser Member 718 Thumbs Up

Hello Randy,

did you eventually have any feedback on whether your solution is acceptable? Many thanks,
Adrienn

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Donald Green Project Manager Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC
Jul 17 2013
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Transportation on Weekends

I received a Review Comment questioning the availability of bus routes on the weekend as follows: "it appears that only one bus route is accessible on weekends. Due to the shuttle timing and availability of less than two daily bus routes, the credit is denied".

The idea is to have connection to transportion during the most frequent cummuting hours. The project has a shuttle from the university campus to a central Visitors Center where during the weekdays it connects to 2 bus routes. However during the weekends there is only 1 abbreviated bus route of which the campus shuttle does connect to. I should also mention that the campus shuttle does not run the full operating schedule as the bus route on the weekends.

The question then is if the campus is open on weekdays (Mon-Fri) i.e. regular commuting hours, and there is a campus shuttle which connects until the bus route stops running on the weekdays - why would the credit be denied because of an abbreviated bus line on the weekends?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 17 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

I agree, based on our understanding of the credit requirements, which we have been over with GBCI (see FAQ above), I think your solution should pass muster. I would contact GBCI and try to clarify their thinking.

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Matthew Cunha-Rigby Sustainable Design Coordinator, HDR Architecture, Inc. Jul 17 2013 LEEDuser Member 197 Thumbs Up

We received the following response from a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide we submitted regarding a similar bus service situation at a rural site: "If the project team can justify the existing frequency meets the commuting needs of the project, lower frequencies may be acceptable."

If you can demonstrate that the public transit service you describe above is adequate to serve the project, will enourage occupants to use alternative transit and will meet the intent of the credit, then it should be acceptable. However, it is ulitmately up to the LEED review team to determine whether the documentation you provide meets the credit intent.

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Jul 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Thanks Tristan.
Matthew - any tips on how you went about justifying the frequency? It would seem to me that since the university provides the shuttle in the first place they are encouraging the use of the available public transportation.

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Donald Green Project Manager, Sustainable Design Consulting, LLC Jul 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 336 Thumbs Up

Matthew - can you also please provide the number of the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide you referenced.

Thank you,

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Matthew Cunha-Rigby Sustainable Design Coordinator, HDR Architecture, Inc. Jul 18 2013 LEEDuser Member 197 Thumbs Up

Hi Donald - The CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide was project specific, so unfortunately it is not available as a LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. that can be referenced for other projects. You may want to consider submitting a CIR for your project to be sure whether a certain approach will be acceptable...but generally, you should be able to follow the advice that we were given, noting that they "may" be acceptable.

For our project, we did not end up pursuing this credit because our client would have had to subsidize additional transit service from the local transit agency (which was a very expensive annual expense). To determine the adequate service, we analyzed the FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories. numbers and shift patterns, the visitor numbers and times they would be on-site, the existing transit routes/frequency and the best possible ways to connect to the wider transit network (schedules, routes/connections). We approached the local transit agency and got into fairly serious discussions about how to make this work, but unfortunately it wouldn't make economic sense for the facility. Hope this helps!

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Prachee Mishra
Jul 10 2013
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Residential Building - How to go ahead without using a survey?

I am helping a residential development in New York City see if they can get LEED certification. The project is located in downtown Manhattan with close proximity to subway lines, ferry, bus lines. Also since it is located very close to the financial district, most people walk or bike to work. They also have bike racks for the residents. They can definitely score a lot of points on alternative commuting, but the property managers have said that it would be difficult for them to conduct a survey. Is there another way to gain credits for this without the survey? For example use available city data to calculate how many residents of that zip code use public transit to get to work?
Please advise.

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E H Sustainability Architect Jul 10 2013 LEEDuser Member 2297 Thumbs Up

Achieving SSc4.1 does not require a survey. You just have to show the proximity of the project to available bus routes and rail lines: 1/4 mile distance for bus stops, and 1/2 mile distance for rail stations.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jul 10 2013 LEEDuser Member 1524 Thumbs Up

Dear Prachee-

Is this a new building being constructed or an existing building?

If it's an existing building you'll want to post that question in the EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems.-2009 SSc4.1 forum. Or search the discussion there. This question came up for other New Yorkers . I think the survey is required :( good luck

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Prachee Mishra Jul 11 2013 Guest 25 Thumbs Up

Hi Kathryn,

Its an existing building. I'll post the question again on the other forum and see if I get any answers. Thanks!

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP ABUD Engineering Ltd.
Jun 17 2013
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private minibus VS shuttle

Hi, does any one know if there is any difference in a "shuttle" and a "private minibus"? Are these term interchangable?

ID#10003 says a private minibus is acceptable as public transport if it is available to the public, travels a regular route and observes a regular time schedule. I guess the shuttle is also the same. Is it acceptable if there are two shuttles that serve the site?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Jul 18 2013 LEEDuser Expert 16345 Thumbs Up

The credit says "2 or more public, campus, or private bus lines" so if the shuttles meet the frequency and regular route requirements, it sounds like they would count as a private bus.

You might want to make sure the capacity of the private bus is appropriate for the number employees or visitors. There's no formula to calculate this. But, for example, if your LEED project was a factory with an FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories. of 1000 people and the shuttles only carry 10 people stopping once every half hour, it’s hard to imagine that would be adequate at the start and end of a shift. Make sense?

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Marcio Alberto Casado Pereira
Jun 13 2013
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Shuttle takes 10min or less to get to the first bus stop

Hi, I was wondering if I can get this credit if my shuttle stops at a bus stop 10min or less after it departs from the project. Although the bus stop is more than 2 miles away, the addenda refers "approximately 5-10 minute drive", indicating that the shuttle takes that time to drive for 2 miles in a dense area. The area of my project is light, and therefore even Google Maps confirms that my shuttle takes those 10mins or less to get to the first bus stop! So it is possible that I can get this credit? My certification depends on this one.
Thank you in advance!

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Alicia Freire Associate hurleypalmerflatt
Jun 12 2013
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Private Bus

Hello,

I am working on a project where we are trying to follow the route of the private bus and I was wodnering if anyone would know what documentation will we need to provide to demonstrate compliance.

Many thanks

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jun 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 1524 Thumbs Up

Can all building visitors use the bus or only specific people? I believe the public transportation is supposed to be available to all building visitors to comply with credit requirements.

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Josh Mauldin ASA Architects
Jun 03 2013
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Planned Transfer Center

My project is a fire station that is the first project on the site of a mixed use development. A bus transfer center is planned to be built directly across from the fire station. As of right now, the project does not qualify for SSc4.1, but I submitted an alternative compliance because when the transfer center is built there will be four routes next door. The reviewers asked for clarification on funding for the project.

So, my question is if the following explanation from the City is adequate:
"The Federal Transit Administration (FTA) has approved Sun Metro to enter into ‘project development’ for the Montana RTS corridor. This means they like our Montana project, have entered us into the VSS funding picture, allowed us to start planning and do environmental work, but can’t commit to funding until money is available, which right now I don’t see happening until FY 2015. We hope to get Dyer funding from FY 2014 funds."

Anyone have previous experience with this? Any suggestions for my approach would be appreciated.

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Mark Hirschi
May 29 2013
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1/4 Mile Walking Distance - Crosswalks

I am working on a project that is on a busy road. There are a couple of bus stops (two different routes) on the other side of this road from my project. These stops are well within the 1/4 mile walking distance if the pedestrian does not use a designated crosswalk. If they are required to use the crosswalk to meet the requirements for LEED points, they are well over 1/4 mile. The requirement makes no mention of the walking path, just that it must be within 1/4 mile walking distance. Can I count the bus stops as within the 1/4 mile distance?

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