NC 2009 SSc4.1: Alternative Transportation—Public Transportation Access

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Udana Ratnayake
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Alternative Compliance path for projects outside US

The document issued by USGBC with alternative compliance paths for project outside US states "2 rideshare options for 4 or more passengers. passenger ferry terminals, vans and human-powered conveyances comply". does this mean we can claim credit compliance if taxi services are available in the area? for example if taxis are available that can carry 4 or more passengers within 1/4 mile distance to the site does this meet credit requirements? or is it required to show that four or more occupants take the same pool vehicle to come to the facility? thanks in advance.

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jason clark
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SSc4.1

I am working at a small rual NM University. Total poulation of the campus is 1600 students. Needless to say the campus is not big enough to need a bus services nor is the town the campus is located. There is however a bus line that picks up and dops off on campus within the 1/4 requirement, it then connects to a Rail system the serves Northern NM. What is the best approach for going after all of these points when you are working in such a small remote community? Especially one that doesn't have a traditional mass transit system much less two!

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Nov 16 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Jason,
One way to get a sense of what kind of approach might be accepted, or what kind of documentation will be useful is to check the Interpretations database at:
https://www.usgbc.org/leedinterpretations/LILanding.aspx
If you search all rating systems and limit it to SS credit 4.1, you'll get about 24 interpretations. The ones that are probably most relevant to your situation are ID#s 563, 2266, 5179, 10003, 10005, 10104. You can also search by ID#.

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Jeremy Poling Manager Transwestern
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Transit Rides

It was asked earlier and doesn't appear to have an answer: is there a published definition of a "transit ride" for the purposes of this credit and exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements.? For example, is a bus 1 ride each time it stops, or if the bus has 50 seats, does that bus stopping once a day count as 50 rides?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Nov 15 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

The terms "lines," "stops" and "rides" have confused people, and these haven't been clearly defined. Interpretation Ruling #5020 comes close, and is integrated into to 2009 Reference Guide Option 2 for Exemplary PerformanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements.. Here's a long-winded attempt to clear up any confusion:
Our understanding has been: Rides = (number of times per day a bus on line #1 serves it's bus stop nearest the project) + (number of times per day a bus on line #2 serves its bus stop nearest the project) etc. Include all bus lines that serve bus stops that are within a .25 mile walk from the project entry or entries. The number of seats on the bus isn't taken into account.
Looking at the 2009 BD&C Reference Guide page 45, the diagram shows one bus stop for the #16 bus line on Cass Ave, and another bus stop for the #53 bus line on Woodward Ave. (The 2009 first edition has a .25 mile radius circle drawn, but an addenda removed the circle and adds a scale to require the .25 miles to be walking distance.)
This implies that a bus line serves a specific route or destination. But in the diagram is the #16 bus assumed to be heading in just in one direction or two? If buses travel in both directions, does that make it one line or two? We assume if it travels in both directions this still counts as one bus line, since you need both directions of travel to complete your trip. If a bus line only serves one direction, it would probably still count as one line, but contribute fewer number of rides per day.
Or put another way, for a person leaving a LEED project, how many routes do they have to choose from and how frequently do those buses or trains stop? Each time one person could board a bus from the LEED project site counts as a "ride."
For example, let's assume the #16 travels both northbound and southbound along Cass Ave. (Google Maps indicates it actually does). Let's assume it stops every 15 minutes in both directions from 6 am to midnight. That's 4 times per hour for 18 hours, or 72 rides going north, and another 72 rides going south, for a total of 144 rides.
Whew!

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Susann Geithner Director of Sustainability HSB Architects & Engineers
Nov 15 2011
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Alternative Compliance path for international projects

The USGBC has published a draft for additional guidance for international projects. That includes alternative compliance paths and even additional LEED online forms for international projects. This credit is included in the guideline. Find more here: http://www.leeduser.com/topic/international-projects-alternative-complia...

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Ryan Carron Architect Studio 222 Architects
Nov 09 2011
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Do multiple stops on the same bus route count towards E.P.?

I have four seperate bus routes traveling adjacent to my site with bus stops for each route within my 1/4mile radius. When calculating the number of 'rides' each day (including both directions for each route) I come to a total of 191 'rides' - short of the 200 for the extra point. All four of the bus routes have multiple bus stops within the 1/4 mile radius (every block), does anyone know if I can count the number of rides for each individual bus stop on the same route? If i could that would dramatically increase my number beyond the required 200. (I also have a light rail stop but it unfortunately is .6 miles away) Also, sorry for double posting this in v2.2, my mistake.

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Nov 15 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Ryan, per the long reply above, you probably wouldn't count multiple stops for a particular bus line within the .25 mile distance. We have seen projects occasionally achieve credits or ID points even when not meeting the precise credit requirements if they were able to demonstrate an equivalent level of performance. Use quantitative data when possible. In this case, you'd want to write a narrative describing all the transit options, # of lines, proximity, frequency, levels of service. It's worth mentioning the rail service and any studies or reports on transit ridership in this area. The additional bus stops you mention don't really increase the level of service, but it might be worth mentioning if they are along a busy commercial street and give riders more options to combine trips with other errands.

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Jean Marais b.i.g. Bechtold INGENIEURGESELLSCHAFT MBH
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LEED for Schools - Bike Lane Req. (Sorry for Cross Posting)

Daycare Center - Bike Racks on Lot Boundry

My Bicycle Parking Racks are located on the Lot Boundry. On the otherside of the fence, through the always open gates is the public side walk. How should I (why should I) proove/plan "dedicated bike lanes in two directions". This came back as lacking the "site plan showing"...from the reviewers. There is a 20 m walk way to the main entrance from the racks.

Please help.

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Nov 03 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Jean,
Looking at the BD&C Reference guide pgs 41 - 45, my understanding is they're looking for a site plan drawing that highlights the path that pedestrians and bikes will use to get to the nearest transit stops.

If there was no sidewalk or dedicated bike lane, students might not have a route to the transit stops that is protected from car traffic. So, we'll want to show any sidewalks or other paths that provide protection. We could indicate the width to show it's wide enough for both walkers and bikers and indoctae how it provides protection, such as a marked bike lane or zone for parked cars that separates traffic lanes from pedestrian lanes.

Does that answer your question?

Ideally, these paths would go all the way to the transit stops, but it looks like the credit language recognizes the school may have difficulty influencing the public paths beyond their property boundary.

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Jean Marais b.i.g. Bechtold INGENIEURGESELLSCHAFT MBH Nov 10 2011 Member 2152 Thumbs Up

My google earth showes dedicated bicycle and foot path lanes to the local transit links (underground stations x2) from the school main entrance where the bike racks are in many directions...I've highlighted these and wrote a text explaining the situation. Hope this does the trick. Should I include arrows showing 2-way traffic for bikes?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Nov 14 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

It sounds like your site meets the requirements. Yes, it is probably good to show that bikes can travel in both directions, since you've been asked for clarifications once already.

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Mairead Morrissey Principal Environmental Consultant AWN Consulting Ltd
Oct 25 2011
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Can a car qualify as a "shuttle bus"?

Hi, our site only has 60 employees in total and so providing a bus to link with public transport in the nearest town isn't feasible. Can a car qualify for this, which the employer would provide, with a driver to take employees to and from the town at the start and end of shifts?

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Oct 27 2011 Moderator

Mairead,

As long as the vehicle and schedule would accomodate your occupants needs I think this could work.

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Alicia Freire Senior Engineer, hurleypalmerflatt Nov 04 2011 Member 30 Thumbs Up

Emily,

The guidance requires that , if the transport node is a bus stop, at least 2 buses operate. I understand from your response above that one shuttle bus service would be sufficient (provided that time tables are suitable) and that the two bus minumum requirement is actually at the transport node. Am I understanding correctly?
Thank you very much

Regards

Alicia

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Nov 04 2011 Moderator

Alicia,

You must demonstrate that the shuttle service you provide meets the needs of building occupants. So, depending on the project, one shuttle bus may be sufficient or it may not be. I am not aware of specific quantity guidelines for providing a shuttle. Consider that it is an alternative compliance path and still needs to meet the intent of the credit. 

It is my understanding that the public transportation requirment of two separate bus lines still needs to be met at the transport node. For example, providing one shuttle to one bus line would not meet the requirments.

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Mairead Morrissey Principal Environmental Consultant, AWN Consulting Ltd Nov 23 2011 Member 12 Thumbs Up

Many thanks for your help Emily. The "shuttle car" will operate on a schedule and drop/pick-up employees at both the bus and train stations to continue their journey. We are hoping this will be sufficient.

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Alicia Freire Senior Engineer hurleypalmerflatt
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Building entrance vs site entrance

Hi, I am working on a development located in the centre of a large site. If I measure the distance from the building entrance to the local transport node the credits will not be achieved, but if I take the site entrance as reference the requirements will be met. Although the guidance mentiones building entrance, I wonder if in large developments the site main entrance would be acceptable. If this was not the case, sites with large vegetated areas as encouraged by LEED (for example the open space credit) would be somehow penalized losing this 6 points.

Thank you very much

Alicia

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Oct 23 2011 Moderator

Alicia,

I do not think that LEED is trying to penalize projects with open space, they are rather trying to encourage siting the project as close to public transportation as possible. 

To answer your question, I think it may be possible to submit alternative compliance to use the site enterance if the site is entirely closed off, say a military base. I have not seen this documented as successful, however, and if your site is not closed off it is unlikley you will be able to use anything but the building enterance.

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Molly Smith` CLR Design
Sep 15 2011
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Bus line vs Shuttle System

I'm working on a project at the Salt Lake City zoo. Since the project is part of an overall campus, we can't be very proactive on the site selection. The project is within 1/4 mile of one bus line, which goes out of its way to specifically stop at the zoo. The line then connects to 10+ lines about a mile from the stop. Therefore, access to and from the zoo using public transportation is actually very easy, but unfortunately doesn't technically fall within the 1/4 mile of two bus lines. Is there any way to count the one line almost as a shuttle connecting the zoo to the rest of the bus system?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Sep 29 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

We have seen projects earn this credit using an alternative compliance path when there were not 2 bus lines exactly within the .25 mi distance if the level of transit service provided to the site is seen by the reviewer as equivalent. See the comments below to Scott's question on April 5, 2011. Since there is some judgement in determining what's "equivalent" you'll want to provide as much quantitative data as possible about frequency/ total number of rides provided per day from the one stop, number of rides available at the connecting point, any data on the use of this bus line and the connecting bus lines, etc.

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deborah lucking Nov 18 2011 Member 401 Thumbs Up

David,
we tried the approach you suggested, and got nixed. Our one bus line runs every 15 minutes, making a total of 84 trips on weekdays. This service connects to stops serving multiple bus routes, and 2 separate light rail stations. The interpretation said "the transit line as described, is considered a bus line, not a permanent private shuttle service that connect the buildings(s) and the bus routes per LEED Interpretations for Inquiry numbers 618 and 704." This seems to totally contradict the response in Inquiry #1005...

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ZEB Tech singapore ESD Consultancy ZEB-Technology Pte Ltd
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Shuttle Services.

Hi,

We have a Factory Building Project in Jakarata, Indonesia. The Project Site is a Huge Industrial Zone where it is more than 1/2 mile walking distance to the Main Road or the Connecting Highway. The Factory Owner Provides Shuttle Bus Services from Strategic Points in the City where the Employees can arrive by Public Transport and then fetched to the Project Site. This Shuttle Services is everyday and cater for the entire Employee Population in the Office. The intent is to reduce People travelling Long Distance by Own Transport and to reduce the Parking Capacity on Site. Will this eligible for SSc4.1. Please Assist.

Thanks & Regards,

Karthik.

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Susann Geithner Director of Sustainability, HSB Architects & Engineers May 31 2011 Guest Expert 1878 Thumbs Up

I would recommend looking at the recently published CIRs # 10003, 10004, 10005 they are available on the USGBC website (you must login to access it). https://www.usgbc.org/Login.aspx?REFERRER=/leedinterpretations/lilanding...

They are about private buses, shuttle service and such. Here is #10003
Inquiry: 1) Can a bus line be counted if there are no proper stops, but anyone can board by hailing the bus?2) Can private mini-buses count as a form of public transit?

LEED Interpretation:
1) Yes, document that the bus travels an established route at regular times, and that the hailing system is the established means for boarding the bus at the given location. 2) Yes, a private mini-bus may be counted towards credit compliance if it is available to the public, travels a regular route and observes a regular time schedule. If the mini-bus behaves more like a group taxi, in that the route and timetable is determined by the occupants, then it is not eligible to be counted towards credit compliance.

I hope that helps.

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ZEB Tech singapore ESD Consultancy, ZEB-Technology Pte Ltd May 31 2011 Member 683 Thumbs Up

Thanks Susann, sure the information did help. The scenario is more like in the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide #1004 - where is the query is about "Can a shuttle line connecting an island community to the mainland public transport system meet the credit requirements?". Our situation is similar, where the Project Site is in a Huge Industrial Estate. The Company provides dedicated Shuttle Bus for Employees and ferry them to the Key points where they can board the Public Transport. This Shuttle Bus is not a Public Transport System. I wonder if this is acceptable to USGBC.

Regards,

Karthik.

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ZEB Tech singapore ESD Consultancy, ZEB-Technology Pte Ltd Jun 03 2011 Member 683 Thumbs Up

Can anybody assist on this Shuttle Bus being use to ferry Employees to the Public Transport Points.

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Jun 06 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

I'm not sure I understand the second posted question...it's ok if the shuttle is run by the company, if it runs frequently, runs on a regular schedule, and could be used by the public (such as a visitor to the project site). is that what you are asking?

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ZEB Tech singapore ESD Consultancy, ZEB-Technology Pte Ltd Jun 07 2011 Member 683 Thumbs Up

Yes the Shuttle Bus runs on regular schedule. Yes the Shuttle Bus is catered for Visitors to the Project Site. But it is not for Public usePublic or public use applies to all buildings, structures, or uses that are not defined as private or private use. meaning, it is only catered for the Company Employees, Visitors, etc to the Project Site only.

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Chris Marshall Associate, LEED Technical Development, U.S. Green Building Council Jun 09 2011 Guest 112 Thumbs Up

What you've described matches the requirement "private bus lines usable by building occupants." Therefore, I believe that your situation meets the credit requirements. My conclusion does not replace the official GBCI project review, so be sure to respond to any feedback or questions the reviewer might have when you submit for review.

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Tyler Barter Architect, Oak Point Associates Jun 22 2011 Member 118 Thumbs Up

We are dealing with a similar issue on a military base, where there are several private buses and shuttle vans that bring commuting employees in from several (in one case 100+) miles away. The bus is only able to be used by those with badges for getting into the base, so a member of the general public could not board the bus, but anyone on the base (employees, contractors, etc) who is badged can use the service. The buses are on a fixed schedule, serving peak demand. It's a lot of points at stake, so I'm really wondering about the use of the word "public" in the definition of "campus or private bus"....

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Mike Barker Principal : Energy / Electrical Engineer, BuildingPhysics South Africa Jun 23 2011 Member 356 Thumbs Up

Ms Geithner wrote " If the mini-bus behaves more like a group taxi, in that the route and timetable is determined by the occupants, then it is not eligible to be counted towards credit compliance. "

Here in SOuth Africa we have public mini-bus taxis that are mostly owned and operated by independent individuals ( Taxi Drivers ).

The Taxi Drivers often adjust small sections of their route on the fly to suit passenger requirements ( if you live up a side road they will detour to drop you off at a small extra cost )

They also do not always follow a regular timetable.

My concern is that the LEED requirements for a formal published timetable and a precisely defined route is just not applicable to developing countries, where time is less of an issue.

The bus / min-bus services certainly comply with the LEED intent though, namely to reduce automobile miles by providing an alternative form of transport.

The LEED 2012 requirements also focus on a rigid timetable and route. Perhaps this needs to be debated for international projects ?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Jun 24 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

@ Tyler - the buses appear to met the requirements for route and schedule; I'm not sure if limitation of the buses to badged employees only would be a deal-breaker, but it might. If a visitor can only get to the base entrance by private car, I'd guess this credit might not be achievable. If there are other provisions for visitors who don't have cars, you'd want to submit a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide, since as you say there are a lot of points riding on this. If the facility does not admit public visitors who arrive un escorted, or if there are other special circumstances you'll need to describe those.

@ Mike - the mini-bus/ taxis you describe, like many in the world, serve a larger area and greater number of people than most transit systems in the US. I think you could make a strong case for credit equivalency, though it might require some creative ways to document it. My impression is these mini-buses travel typical, well-established routes you could trace on a map, even if they make detours for special drop-offs. And even though they are privately owned and operated, you could probably get a pretty good idea from talking to locals or drivers about the average number of runs or trips per day. Sure, this is well outside what many LEED reviewers have seen, but if you can provide a combination of photos, maps, statements of local officials or bus owners, and maybe your own survey, I think that should count as an "alternative compliance path." Any statistics on the local population and number or % of people who are car owners might help the case. if you want to know sooner than later, a CIR may be necessary - let us know how it goes!

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Mike Barker Principal : Energy / Electrical Engineer, BuildingPhysics South Africa Jul 06 2011 Member 356 Thumbs Up

David,

Thanks for the prompt reply. We are looking at Pilot Credit 12 too.

It may be of interest to international LEED project teams to take a look at the Indian Green Building Council who have just released their NC 2011 rating tool.

They have an Option 3 for SSc4.1 that recognises a "rideshare" approach that even includes rickshaws ( human powered conveyance )

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Pablo Fortunato Suarez Principal ESD Consultant/Architect, GreenArc Sustainable Building & Architecture Oct 31 2011 Member 1264 Thumbs Up

I have a couple of questions regarding what qualifies as a bus related to the discussions above:

1) Is there a specified minimum capacity of the vehicle to qualify as a "bus"?

2) There are much smaller vehicles publicly accessible and for hire, plying fixed routes and have terminals. The vehicles wait at terminals and leave as soon as they are filled, so not exactly following a 'fixed time schedule'.

There are 2 types of vehicles. The first, is like a big jeep with a capacity of 8-10 (excluding driver). The second is a van with a capacity of up to 14 (also excluding driver).

Given this info, can these vehicles qualify?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Nov 01 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Pablo, the vehicle types you mention represent a large share of the public transportation available around the world. The USGBC recently released draft guidance for projects outside the US:
http://www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CMSPageID=220

Look for the document "ACP Documentation Guidance for Projects outside the U.S.pdf" which describes the Alternative Compliance Paths for several credits, including SSc4.1. This page also has a link to download the ACP forms.

Since this guidance was just realeased and is still in draft form, any examples or case studies will probably help clarify the guidelines. For now, you'll need to provide:
- the Type of Transit. This would be bus, van, truck, shared taxi or 4 wheel drive wagon;
- Passenger capacity;
- Operates on a regular basis - Yes or No; As you describe, these vehicles often wait to leave until they are full. This could still be considered a regular basis, even if the schedule is not fixed, since there are probably an average number of times a vehicle departs from that location on for that route a typical day.
- Local Transit Authority Authorizing Rideshare; In some cases, this may be harder to define since transit is often part of the "Informal Economy" that is not regulated ot taxed. In some countries, informal transit may have some regulation by a local government, so list that governing agency or ministry. In other situations, there may not be an official transit authority, so it might be appropriate to get a report from a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) or government official that describes the transit services that are provided.

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Jill Ziegler Program Manager for Sustainability Initiatives Forest City Enterprises, Inc.
May 25 2011
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A & B bus lines - do they count separately?

We are going for Exemplary PerformanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. since we have 5 qualifying bus lines. Total (weekday) stops equals exactly 200, so we're good there. The potential problem is that 4 of the 5 lines are "A" and "B" variations, that is, the lines servicing our site are routes 20, 45, 45A, 79A, 79B. We view the A's and B's as separate routes, as they differ due to skipping stops for commuting purposes. Will the reviewers agree?

One more complication is the documentation. Unfortunately, the transit authority publishes the A & B schedules together, so documentation-wise, I will only have 3 maps/timetables to upload, despite 5 separate routes (the maps do indicate the differing routes, though). This complicates filling out the table in the LEED Online form, since I'm not able to distinguish between A & B stops - they are grouped together in the timetable.

I have considered listing all 5 lines separately in the form, and just including zeros for the odd A and B trip counts - hoping it'll be obvious to the reviewer once they see the maps and timetable - any better ideas? Maybe split the trip count 50/50 between A & B lines?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Jun 06 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Jill,
You might look at the intent of the exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. requirements as twofold: provide more frequent service, and serve a greater area.
I'm not sure the A and B variants would count as two separate lines if the buses follow exactly the same geographic route. It could be argued that although the stop skipping reduces the travel time, it doesn't seem to serve a greater area. I think the intent of requiring 4 or more routes for exemplary performance is to serve a greater geographic area than would be served by two or three routes. If the A and B route stops are sufficiently far apart or serve different streets during part of their route, you might be able to demonstrate that they serve different riders, and thus a greater area. Does that make sense?

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Scott Thayer Principal Ankrom Moisan Architects
Apr 05 2011
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Bus and Lightrail access combination?

I'm working on a 100+ unit multifamily apartment project in San Jose. The site is in an area well served by transit overall (relatively central San Jose). However, there is only one bus stop within 1/4 mile of the main entry which accesses just one bus line. There are several other bus lines available nearby but unfortunately a bit beyond the 1/4 mile walking distance. There is a bus transit center just under 1/2 mile away which accesses two other bus lines. One of these lines provides very frequent service (78 trips per day) connecting directly to a lightrail stop just 15 minutes away (accessing 3 lightrail lines). Do you think this might be seen to comply with the credit intent, perhaps using the Alternative Compliance path? If this stands a chance, should I submit this under the Rail Station or Bus Station proximity option? Probably Rail Station I'm thinking. Thanks for any insights.

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Apr 05 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Scott,
It might comply - although it can be difficult to predict how an individual reviewer will view this. We've seen examples of the alternative compliance path being accepted when the project team can demonstrate an equivalent level of service based on a narrative that describes all the nearby transit stops, their distance, number of trips, and connections to other transit routes or hubs. You may want to reference the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide mentioned below that establish the 50 rides baseline.

It may also help to include a description and distance to nearby amenities, the project's Walkscore, and any other transit services such as para-transit, bike racks on buses, car share programs, or any data on ridership that helps justify the argument that the location provides significant and quantifiable options to reduce use of a car by using transit.

Hope that helps!

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Aliesa Adelman Sustainability Program Manager Wendel
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Please Clarify

Two different bus lines simply refers to two buses on different routes from the same carrier, correct? Or does the credit require two separate carriers servicing stops 1/4 mi. from the project?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Mar 25 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Correct - two different routes from the same carrier is acceptable, and the most common.

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Carlos Alberto Hoyos Soto Architect LEED AP BD+C Ingetec Colombia
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bus rapid transit (BRT) system

I want to know if a bus rapid transit (BRT) system could be considered in option 1, thanks

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Mar 24 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Mara has a helpful response to a similar question near the bottom of this page - dated May 24 2010. There's no clear policy or precedent for a BRT system being accepted as equivalent to rail. So, you would either need to submit a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide to get a ruling on your situation, or submit your credit form for certification review and write a narrative explaining your "alternative compliance" approach. A CIR it would take a bit longer, but you might get a better answer.

In either case, you would need to show how the BRT is equal to a rail line in terms of environmental benefits and increases in number of passengers. I've heard the reason the radius for rail is larger than for a bus because 1) travel by rail has a lower environmental impact from emissions, 2) people are willing to walk further to a rail stop because the trip is typically quicker than by bus, and 3) rail lines tend to get higher numbers of passengers because the routes are more predictable and more permanently established than bus lines.

If you can find research on the BRT that can show these kinds of improvements over a bus line, you may have a good chance. If other people have seen additional statistics or had experience getting a BRT line accepted for Option 1, please reply!

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lance mccardle Sustainability Project Manager
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Existing bus stop

We are doing a major renovation on a multifamily housing complex that was built in 1990 with bike racks and a bus stop that the owners put in when the building was first constructed. The only thing we'll be doing to the bus stop is adding a new shelter. Can we still apply for SSc4.1 and 4.2?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Mar 04 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

You can pursue SSc4.1 and 4.2 based on the bike racks and public transit that will be available to the tenants, whether it those items are in your renovation scope of work or not. You'll want to verify the number of bike racks meets the credit requirements based on your occupancy numbers, and that you meet the requirements for two bus lines within the 1/4 mi radius.

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Caroline O'Leary
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Required Number of Trips

I've been attempting to discover the number of times, or if there is a minimum number, that a bus must serve the stop in a day to count for this credit. Have I missed someone else asking this question? I can't seem to find anything beyond a vague "consistent access at peak times" (http://www.leeduser.com/credit/NC-2009/SSc4.1#gid-tab). Has anyone attempted to earn this credit and been denied due to the route not running by the site enough?

We've got one route which runs by the site but only stops once-per-day. We're working with the Owner to develop a "shuttle" program for anyone who works down in the Port but we would still need to address the second transporation option. This means we must approach the local transportation provider but we want to better understand how many more runs they would need to provide!

Thank you

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Feb 28 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Hi Caroline,
I've seen a threshold of 50 rides per day at the particular stop as what LEED considers adequate service. There was a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide from pre 2009 that set the threshold for exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. at 4 times that, 200 rides per day, based on a transit research survey that found it was necessary to quadruple the level of service to double the ridership. Does that answer your question?

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Caroline O'Leary Mar 01 2011 Member 239 Thumbs Up

Hey David,
The 50 rides per day I believe would answer my question. Our problem is that the project is in a small city in the state with a population of approximately 12,000 people. Due to budget cuts, the one busline that now serves the project within the 1/4 mile radius only stops in the area one time per day. We're considering ways we may be able to increase public transportation access to the site but I'm not sure we can hit the 50 rides per day regardless of how many times the line runs through the area.
If anyone has successfully worked with the USGBC on this or something similar it would be great to hear the experience. Due to the nature of the project, losing these 6 points has dropped us down to the level of Certification and the funding agency requires Silver. If the project doesn't meet Silver they lose their funding. We're looking at other ways to make up for this loss but as it sits, the other options are way out of the budget range it seems.

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Mar 01 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Caroline,
That's a difficult situation given the population and density. If you search the new Interpretations database for NC2009 SSc4.1 you can find a few past rulings that can be applied here.

Inquiry # 1596 gives the 50 rides guidance ("Rides" confuses people; it's the number of times a bus stops at that stop). Inquiries 615, 618, and 476 may help if you're considering a shuttle service to count as a bus line, where it connects your site with other transit lines/ hub. A shuttle would have to run pretty frequently to count.

It might be difficult to get a high enough level of public transit service for your project given the local infrastructure, so you may also want to consider a multi-pronged Transit Management Plan to provide measureable reductions in single occupant vehicle use (shuttles, car pools, zip cars, fleet vehicles, web-based tools, magic carpets, etc.) It's important to provide alternative transit not just for employees, but also for visitors to the building.

This may not be relevant to your situation, but I've seen the ruling on inquiry #1596 used to establish an alternative compliance path for SSc4.1 when a project only had one bus line within the 1/4 mile radius, but it had very frequent service - just over 200 rides per day. (There were several other bus lines just outside the radius.) Since 200 rides had earned exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. for an ID credit, the reviewers accepted that as a way to demonstrate alternative compliance for the basic credit level.

It would be great to hear from others on any other alternative strategies or Transit Management Plans they've used for this!

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Michelle Teague Architect, LEED Consultant, Polk Stanley Wilcox Architects May 04 2011 Member 84 Thumbs Up

Transit Ride definition: I'm looking for the inquiry you mentioned at the usgbc website LEED interpretations database and I'm not finding it. Where is the definition of "transit ride"?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects May 17 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Michelle -
Funny, I can't find inquiry number 1596 either, but find what I recall as being that ruling now numbered #5020, a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide Ruling posted on 9/11/2006. The specific wording is:
"This strategy is based on the assumption that the threshold of the base credit would provide, in most cases, at least 50 transit rides per day (half-hourly service 24 hours per day or more frequent service for less than 24 hours per day."
Hope that makes sense.

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Lisa Vandevoort
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Future Route Planned

Our site is located in a new development that does not have public transit servicing it currently, but there are future plans to add a route here. We do have 2 bus stops located and have signage stating future bus stop.
What do we have to have in documentation for this to count as a credit?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Feb 16 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Lisa,
The phrase "existing or planned and funded" appears in the Option 1 language for rail stations, but does not appear in any of the options for buses. If you can get documentation from the public transit agency that shows that two bus routes are planned and funded, and can confirm the future bus stop locations, you'd probably be in good shape.

Note that two stops for the same bus line don't meet the credit requirements, though, there would need to be two different bus lines serving your location.

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Maura Adams Environmental Stewardship Manager St. Paul's School
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School bus

I can't tell from the credit language whether a school bus line counts only for LEED for Schools or whether I can use it for LEED NC as well. Thoughts?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Feb 16 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Maura,
In a past CIRs I recall seeing a ruling that bus lines had to be available to anyone in order to count toward the credit - there was a case where private tour buses weren't accepted - since they wouldn't help reduce car use by the general public.

It's unclear to me whether the reviewers would take a similar view in your case since school buses aren't available to the public. You might argue for following the LEED Schools language for one of two bus lines in your case given who is traveling to your campus on a typical day. But if faculty, staff, or visitors can't arrive by any public transit, that might mean the credit is out of reach. To be sure, you'd probably need to submit a CIR.

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Denise Dauplaise Architect, Berners Schober Jun 07 2011 Guest 13 Thumbs Up

David,
I have a similar situation. The Community Center we are working on has submitted to me a document showing the agreement to pay for bussing kids from a local public school to their facility for after-school programs. This would be our 2nd bus route, since the local bus route already complies.

Since the Center is paying to get kids to their programs at no cost, I assume "anyone" else would be able to use it too. Would this require submitting a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide?

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Jun 07 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Denise -
See Susann's comment above posted on 5-31 regarding private shuttles - I think the key wording is "available to the public, travels a regular route and observes a regular time schedule." If the Community Center is open and provides other services throughout the day besides the after school programs, but the buses are only used for the after school time period, it may be hard to say that is equivalent to a second bus line. A CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide would certainly get you more clarity - my hunch is they would want you to show how the school buses are providing a level of service equivalent to a public bus running when the center is open.

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Kevin Wilcox
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Access to Light Rail via Shuttle

We have a new project located in a suburban business park seeking SSc4.1 which is slightly beyond the 1/2 mile distance to a light rail station. There is a shuttle service sponsored by the local municipality and operated by the public transit authority which provides a shuttle from the light rail station along a route which could serve the project site as well. The shuttle operates conituously on 15 minute intervals during the morning and afternoon peak commute periods (6AM-10AM, 4PM-7PM). The language within the reference guide provides for the alternative of a private shuttle service meeting the above commuting hour limitations. It appears our solution is consistent with the description in the reference guide and meets the intent if this credit which is to provide access to public transportation light rail within a 1/2 distance of the site. Does this shuttle arrangement comply with the intent of the credit?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 20 2011 Moderator

Kevin, you have convinced me. Without double-checking your work in checking the reference guide, etc., I would say yes. Is there anything you feel doubtful about?

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Kevin Wilcox Jan 21 2011 Member 40 Thumbs Up

Is there any guidence for how to document this alternative?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 21 2011 Moderator

Kevin, this probably means filling out the "special circumstances" part of the LEED Online documentation. This is your opportunity to provide a narrative explaining the situation and any documentation that supports your argument.

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Aliesa Adelman Sustainability Program Manager, Wendel Jan 26 2011 Member 361 Thumbs Up

We have a similar situation and the question is will the distance between the rail and bus stop be an issue. The rail station is 4.5 miles from the site and the bus stop is .5 mi down a road with out sidewalks (not a highway or road with high density travel). The shuttle will be on-demand service and because it is a 3 shift operation, the schedule will only be limited by hours of operation of the rail and bus.

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Jan 30 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

Aliesa,
If the bus stop to access to rail line is no closer than .5 miles I suspect the review team would not accept it as a shuttle. A shuttle would typically provide a connection directly from the project site to the rail station.

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Aliesa Adelman Sustainability Program Manager, Wendel Jan 31 2011 Member 361 Thumbs Up

I should clarify. The shuttle will provide service from the project to the light rail. My concern is with the distance the shuttle would be traveling and that there would no service to the the bus stop which is .5 miles away.

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David Posada Sustainability Manager, GBD Architects Jan 31 2011 Guest Expert 4067 Thumbs Up

If the shuttle connects directly from the project to the rail station, the distance it travels is not an issue. The reviewers may question the frequency and availability if it's just an "on call" shuttle- it probably needs to run on a frequent, predictable schedule around the time of shift changes so people can depend on it consistently.

I'm not sure how the bus stop that is .5 miles away fits in - is that different from the shuttle? If it's farther than .25 miles, then it can't be counted for this credit.

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Matthew Cunha-Rigby Sustainable Design Coordinator, HDR Architecture, Inc. Nov 28 2011 Member 42 Thumbs Up

We met the credit using this approach under LEED NC v2.1. Our project was located about 1 mile from a commuter rail station. The city operated a free municipal shuttle service, which ran on a regular schedule, and would drop off rail passengers at a stop just outside our project building. We argued that this brought the rail stop within a 1/2 mile of the project entrance without any adding any costs to the rail users.

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Aliesa Adelman Sustainability Program Manager Wendel
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EP for meeting Options 1 and 2

Our project will meet the requirments for NC Option 1 and 2, does this qualify for an EP credit?

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 07 2011 Moderator

I would check the Reference Guide for the exact EP wording. You would be well on your way but I don't think you'd be all the way there.

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Eric Shamp Principal Ecotype Consulting
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Transportation Management Plan in lieu of SS 4.1 thru 4.4

Our project is located on the campus of a small, private college. We would like to pursue SS credits 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, & 4.4 through the development of a Comprehensive Transportation Management Plan (CTMP). The BD&C Reference Guide discusses the development of a CTMP as a way to address all of the SSc4 credits, but is not mentioned in any of the other credit descriptions except for the exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. sections. Does any one have experience with this compliance path? If I need to get clarification on this, would I submit it as a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide or a Credit Clarification? The text from SSc4.1 is below.

Consider developing a transportation management plan that evaluates anticipated transportation use patterns and offers alternatives aimed at reducing commuting by single-occupancy vehicles. This management plan could be considered a comprehensive approach to addressing the 4 credits within SS Credit 4, Alternative Transportation.

Thanks.

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Tristan Roberts Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 10 2011 Moderator

Eric, I have asked around before and not come up with an example of a comprehenive transportation management plan. It seems as though most projects find it easier to pursue the credits individually. Although, I did hear that Harvard has an example on its LEED website. Have you had any luck answering these questions? Please keep us posted.

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