We have a project that has old mansard copper roof covered with green patina. This is a very steep roof, so to get 7.2 credit can anyone tell me what SR value to take into calculating the SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. for this kind of roofing? All I need is an SRI value of 29 to comply to get 7.2 credit.
Lauren GlasscockGreen Building ConsultantKEMA Services, Inc.Jan 18 2010
Measuring of roof reflectivity
Has anyone used a tool to measure roof reflectivity of an existing building? What tool is used? Is it a spectrometer? How long does the process take and is it reliable? Can the same tool that is used to evaluate SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. for a roof be used to measure the SRI of the site's hardscape?
Thanks!
Mara Baum replied
Sustainability Coordinator, Anshen + Allen Architects Jan 22 2010
This is a great question, and one that has been on my mind as well. SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. is calculated using solar reflectance (albedoAlbedo is synonymous with solar reflectance.) and emissivityEmissivity is the ratio of the radiation emitted by a surface to the radiation emitted by a black body at the same temperature. (emittance). If you have these two values, you can use a calculator like the one at http://www.arkema-inc.com/index.cfm?pag=986. If you don't have these values, you're in for some big excitement (so to speak).
Although I've never had to measure this myself, I have heard that it's a big pain -- and now I know why. I took a look at a slide show on this topic at the Lawrence Berkeley National Labs Cool Roofs website http://eetd.lbl.gov/HeatIsland/CoolRoofs/Overview/. This LBL group developed much of the leading research and research methods on this topic. To summarize, you need a combination of the following instrumentation, depending on the situation: UV-VIS-NIR Spectrometer with integrating sphere, a solar spectrum reflectometer, and a Fourier-Transform Infra-Red (FTIR) spectral emissometer and/or an emissometer. The protocols must comply with specific ASTMVoluntary standards development organization which creates source technical standards for materials, products, systems, and services standards for each type of measurement.
If your project is local and presents a scientific question that might pique LBL interest, perhaps you should contact them for advice or assistance. (A note to other readers, Lauren is lucky to be practically in LBL's back yard.) Paul Berdahl is the primary contact for SRI info, see http://eetd.lbl.gov/HeatIsland/STAFF/.
Although I didn't see a specific discussion on the question of roof vs. hardscape measurement procedures, it makes sense that they would be the same.
Have any other readers undertaken these measurements themselves?
Dave Intner replied
Firmitas Architecture & Planning Jan 25 2010
It may be more cost effective to send a sample to a lab, instead of bringing the equipment on-site. We researched this for a project where we were filling the cells of pervious pavers with gravel; we had manufacturer SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. values for the pavers themselves, but not the gravel. It ended up not being necessary because the USGBC reviewers accepted the paver value for 60% of the area (excluding the 40% voids filled with gravel), which put us over the 50% area threshold. The lab we received quotes from for testing was Atlas Material Testing in Phoenix, www.atlaswsg.com.
Mara Baum replied
Sustainability Coordinator, Anshen + Allen Architects Jan 27 2010
Great idea, Dave, thanks. That approach is a little tougher for an existing roof, though.
Lauren Glasscock replied
Green Building Consultant, KEMA Services, Inc. Jan 28 2010
Thanks Dave for your comments
Thomas McDermottDesigner/Project ManagerArchitectural Visions, PLLCMar 12 2010
Overhangs above Flat Roofs
I have a building with both sloping and flat roofs. In several areas the overhangs of the sloping roofs extend beyond the exterior face of the wall, covering the flat roof surface below. For the purposes of calculating roof area, should I include the area of the flat roof that is covered by the overhang or should I limit the area of the flat roof to what is seen from directly above, as in a roof plan? Any suggestions?
If you have achieved SSc2, you can count the square footage of a green roof toward SSc5.2. Calculate the maximum square footage needed to gain both SSc5.2 and SSc7.2 - SSc6.1: Stormwater Design—Quantity Control.
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Solar Reflectance
We have a project that has old mansard copper roof covered with green patina. This is a very steep roof, so to get 7.2 credit can anyone tell me what SR value to take into calculating the SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. for this kind of roofing? All I need is an SRI value of 29 to comply to get 7.2 credit.
The question has been asked
The question has been asked before.
http://www.reallifeleed.com/2009/08/sri-values-for-copper-roofing-old-vs...
Most likely it will not comply. The majority of the product's life it will be less than a 29 value.
Shriram Bhide replied Jan 18 2010
Bill,
Thank you so much for your response.
Measuring of roof reflectivity
Has anyone used a tool to measure roof reflectivity of an existing building? What tool is used? Is it a spectrometer? How long does the process take and is it reliable? Can the same tool that is used to evaluate SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. for a roof be used to measure the SRI of the site's hardscape?
Thanks!
Mara Baum replied Sustainability Coordinator, Anshen + Allen Architects Jan 22 2010
This is a great question, and one that has been on my mind as well. SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. is calculated using solar reflectance (albedoAlbedo is synonymous with solar reflectance.) and emissivityEmissivity is the ratio of the radiation emitted by a surface to the radiation emitted by a black body at the same temperature. (emittance). If you have these two values, you can use a calculator like the one at http://www.arkema-inc.com/index.cfm?pag=986. If you don't have these values, you're in for some big excitement (so to speak).
Although I've never had to measure this myself, I have heard that it's a big pain -- and now I know why. I took a look at a slide show on this topic at the Lawrence Berkeley National Labs Cool Roofs website http://eetd.lbl.gov/HeatIsland/CoolRoofs/Overview/. This LBL group developed much of the leading research and research methods on this topic. To summarize, you need a combination of the following instrumentation, depending on the situation: UV-VIS-NIR Spectrometer with integrating sphere, a solar spectrum reflectometer, and a Fourier-Transform Infra-Red (FTIR) spectral emissometer and/or an emissometer. The protocols must comply with specific ASTMVoluntary standards development organization which creates source technical standards for materials, products, systems, and services standards for each type of measurement.
If your project is local and presents a scientific question that might pique LBL interest, perhaps you should contact them for advice or assistance. (A note to other readers, Lauren is lucky to be practically in LBL's back yard.) Paul Berdahl is the primary contact for SRI info, see http://eetd.lbl.gov/HeatIsland/STAFF/.
Although I didn't see a specific discussion on the question of roof vs. hardscape measurement procedures, it makes sense that they would be the same.
Have any other readers undertaken these measurements themselves?
Dave Intner replied Firmitas Architecture & Planning Jan 25 2010
It may be more cost effective to send a sample to a lab, instead of bringing the equipment on-site. We researched this for a project where we were filling the cells of pervious pavers with gravel; we had manufacturer SRIThe solar reflectance index (SRI) is a measure of a material's ability to reject solar heat, as shown by a small temperature rise. Standard black (reflectance 0.05, emittance 0.90) is 0 and standard white (reflectance 0.80, emittance 0.90) is 100. For example, a standard black surface has a temperature rise of 90_F (50_C) in full sun, and a standard white surface has a temperature rise of 14.6_F (8.1_C). Once the maximum temperature rise of a given material has been computed, the SRI can be calculated by interpolating between the values for white and black. Materials with the highest SRI values are the coolest choices for paving. Because of the way SRI is defined, particularly hot materials can even take slightly negative values, and particularly cool materials can even exceed 100. values for the pavers themselves, but not the gravel. It ended up not being necessary because the USGBC reviewers accepted the paver value for 60% of the area (excluding the 40% voids filled with gravel), which put us over the 50% area threshold. The lab we received quotes from for testing was Atlas Material Testing in Phoenix, www.atlaswsg.com.
Mara Baum replied Sustainability Coordinator, Anshen + Allen Architects Jan 27 2010
Great idea, Dave, thanks. That approach is a little tougher for an existing roof, though.
Lauren Glasscock replied Green Building Consultant, KEMA Services, Inc. Jan 28 2010
Thanks Dave for your comments
Overhangs above Flat Roofs
I have a building with both sloping and flat roofs. In several areas the overhangs of the sloping roofs extend beyond the exterior face of the wall, covering the flat roof surface below. For the purposes of calculating roof area, should I include the area of the flat roof that is covered by the overhang or should I limit the area of the flat roof to what is seen from directly above, as in a roof plan? Any suggestions?
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