LEED-CS v3 Precertification

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Architect, LEED AP BD+C SYASA - México Jan 26 2011 Guest
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Does anybody know how the LEED-CS v3 precertification process is? I checked the usbc and gbci website and it says regarding v3 there will be more information on LEED-online but I can't find it anywhere. Is there any handbook or any kind of help to know submittals and requirements for the precertification process?

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Sandro Tubertini ChapmanBDSP
Jan 31 2013
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Precertification and site/building area change

Is it there any problem to have a building precertified even so the site and building might be changed for design-construction regular certification?

It is very important to have a direction on this as we are supposed to start the precertification process in the coming days.

Many thanks

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 31 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Andrea, I would ask USGBC in order to know for sure, but I don't see any reason why not. As long as you are in good faith precertifying the building as close as possible to what will be built, and then clearly make changes in the LEED application when it comes time to actually certify, that seems in keeping with other aspects of LEED certification.

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Sandro Tubertini ChapmanBDSP Jan 31 2013 LEEDuser Member 42 Thumbs Up

Hello Tristan, thank you for you reply.
I already contacted USGBC but the answer might take a few days.
The change would be from a possible aquisition of a neighbourhood site, what would only impact the ground and underground floors, not the typical floors. I believe you are right. Surely any changes will be taken into account on the previous stages.

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Ronald Dean Sumac Inc.
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how many time takes a PRECERTIFICATION

hi, I want to know if somebody can tell how many time takes a review for Precertification for a project with more 300,000sf of gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.) of the project building?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 23 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

Ronald, are you asking how long it takes GBCi to review it? I think they have information like that posted on their website, but generally each review phase shouldn't take longer than 30 days—at least, that's what I recall.

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Gabriela Hernández Castillo Architect, LEED AP BD+C SYASA - México
Jul 05 2012
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Resources after precertification

Does anybody know if there is any resources page on the GBCI/USGBC website?

We just got our precertification aproved and we need to know what logos we can use for marketing purposes.

Thank you.

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Lys Manterola Nov 08 2012 Guest 14 Thumbs Up

I was looking for the same info.
I looked in the Logo Trademark Usage document and it doesn't mention the precertification.
Does this information come with the diploma?
thanks

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 23 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

Typically GBCI should provide information on how to market your LEED certification when the project is certified. If you haven't gotten this, I would check with them.

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shashank jain Environmental Analyst BDSP Partnership
Jul 04 2012
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V4 or V3 forms for 2009 Core and Shell...

Hi

we started the project with the Core and Shell... and we saw that the LEED has released V4 forms on the LEED online..

we should be using the V3 (the lEED that we were referring to) or V4... ?

does it makes too much of a difference anyways ?
isnt LEED v4 forms should be for next version of LEED, which is not out yet (?)

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 04 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

Shashank, the rating system you're using is LEED-CS 2009. Over time, USGBC has updated the LEED Online forms that are used with this system, with the latest versions of those forms being v4. When you start a new project on LEED Online you will be automatically given the latest version of the requisite forms.

The LEED v4 rating system, previously known as LEED 2012, is entirely different from this discussion.

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Kerrie Kannberg Hutton Architecture Studio
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Reappy for Certification on same building?

Our project needs to close out and must submit the documentation to LEED for final construction. However, we are still possibly waiting on a large PV array which may be in the works through a PPA. This would possibly put us into the next Certification Level. Is there a way for the project to resubmit at a later date for these points? It would be a shame for something as silly as an extended negotiation stand in the way of a hard working school district obtaining their well earned certification. Thanks!

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Apr 16 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

Kerrie, the easiest thing would simply be to delay your final submittal until you have the PV. GBCI will likely allow this if you contact them to ask permission.

Not the easiest option, but definitely a good idea, is to pursue LEED-EBOM certification on your constructed building. This is a whole new process, but is a great idea for translating from green during design/construction to operations.

But what I thikn you really want to do is to reopen the same application and add in the PV. This is not normally done and you'd need to see if GBCI would allow it. I can think of some reasons they would not, but if it's important you could give it a shot.

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Lawrence Lile Chief Engineer Lile Engineering LLC
Apr 04 2012
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precertification cost

Does the fee for Precertification apply to the full certification, if this is done later? It looks like precertification will cost us $3250, whereas full certification would be $2250. Is the $2250 applied in addition to the precertificatiopn fee, for a total of $5500?
http://www.gbci.org/main-nav/building-certification/certification-guide/...

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 04 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

Lawrence, you should check with GBCI on this, but the way I read it and would guess, there is no overlap in those fees. Both fees are assessed independently.

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Lawrence Lile Chief Engineer Lile Engineering LLC
Apr 04 2012
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precertification leading to certification

One thing that is not clear from the all-too-brief precertification info in the Guide, is that Precertification is supposed to lead to certification. If the project does not continue to full certification, does the precertification eventually expire?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 04 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

I have not found any reference to expiration of precertification in the LEED Reference Guide, or other places that talk about it. I would guess that it does not expire—its perceived value and relevance simply decrease over time.

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Lawrence Lile Chief Engineer Lile Engineering LLC
Apr 02 2012
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Precertification

I have never done a precertification process before, and the information in the reference guide and the USGBC website is quite brief. Does anyone have any experience with precertification, advice, pitfalls? If one is building a "cold dark shell" project, it looks to me like precertification is the only way to go. Is that the experience others have had?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 04 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

I don't have precertification experience so I can't speak to your question, really, but I can say that you can certify a cold, dark shell—not just precertify it.

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Sara Neff Director, Sustainability Programs Kilroy Realty Corporation
Mar 27 2012
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How to start up an existing precertification?

I have inherited two precertified projects and am frankly confused as to how to go about certifying them now. Do I have to register again, or is the existing registered pre-certification what I use going forward? One of the two projects never finished pre-certification; do I have to finish that before I can proceed to regular certification? Any insight would be much appreciated.

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Sonrisa Lucero Owner / Energy Engineer / Sustainability Consultant, Sustainnovations, LLC Jun 18 2012 LEEDuser Member 1260 Thumbs Up

Sara,

It depends on where you project is in the construction process. Is there still benefit to precertifying? If so, continue on in the precertification process. If not, then you will probably want to change your path. Go into the Timeline Tab in you project in LEED Online. There you can change your submittal path to be precert & split, precert & combined, just split, or just combined. Good luck. See the info about fees in this forum.

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Dec 12 2012 LEEDuser Member 699 Thumbs Up

Hi, regarding this question, just please let me know if I understand right:
If I register my project for C&S split certification, but later the Client decides to go for a precertification as well, then there will be an option to change timeline and pursure precert+split review as well?
thx

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Curt Pascoe P.E., LEED AP BD+C Ryan Companies US, Inc.
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Pre-Certification Experience

Could anyone please comment on this process in general? Neither the USGBC or the GBCI goes into it in much detail. I have downloaded and reviewed the credit forms. My main confusion with with the "Tenant Lease" agreements - in regular C&S, you must provide the signed, recorded agreement. For pre-certification, do you simply say you will make your future tenant put it in the lease? What prevents you from pre-certifying an empty shell as Platinum, by placing all requirements on the tenant?

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Sonrisa Lucero Owner / Energy Engineer / Sustainability Consultant, Sustainnovations, LLC Jun 18 2012 LEEDuser Member 1260 Thumbs Up

Curt,

I was a bit mystified by this as well. It appears that during the registration for a LEED CS project, you can opt for one of four paths: precertification and split review, precertification and combined review; split review; and combined review.

As far as the level of detail for the precertification process, I am not entirely sure. I would recommend doing what you already did: looking at the PRECERTIFICATION templates on either the USGBC site or in LEED Online (upper right-hand corner when you log in).

Hope that helps.

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP ABUD Engineering Ltd.
Feb 10 2012
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precertification fee

In case you choose precertification do you have to pay registration fees both for precertification and also for normal certification? Thanks, Adrienn

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 17 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

Adrienn, I believe you go. You could find details on GBCI.org and LEEDOnline.com.

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Lawrence Lile Chief Engineer, Lile Engineering LLC Apr 04 2012 LEEDuser Member 809 Thumbs Up

Apparently the precertification fee is IN ADDITION to the full certification fee. This isn't really clear on the GBCI fees page, but it seems to be the case.

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Sonrisa Lucero Owner / Energy Engineer / Sustainability Consultant, Sustainnovations, LLC Jun 15 2012 LEEDuser Member 1260 Thumbs Up

I am not sure, but my guess is that based on the information on GBCI, it looks like the Pre-certification has it's own cost of $3250-4250 that is IN ADDITION to the COMBINED DESIGN & CONSTRUCTION REVIEW. So, you will save some $ by using the combined review, but also spend some more on the pre-Certification costs. See: http://www.gbci.org/main-nav/building-certification/certification-guide/...

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Sonrisa Lucero Owner / Energy Engineer / Sustainability Consultant, Sustainnovations, LLC Jun 18 2012 LEEDuser Member 1260 Thumbs Up

It appears you can do either a combined or a split review after the precertification review. Therefore, I would feel safe saying the $3250-4250 is IN ADDITION to the normal review fees.

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MM K
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Total project budget

Hello,

I am currently completing LEED CS Pl form2 and I was wondering if the cost of the land must be included in the total budget of the project?

Thanks

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Feb 17 2012 LEEDuser Moderator

Michael, I could be wrong but I don't think this is typically included.

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Emily Catacchio Sustainability Specialist, Wight and Company Feb 17 2012 Guest 6797 Thumbs Up

Michael,

The total project budget, as I understand it, is from the Architect's perspective. With that in mind, no the cost of land should not be included.

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Nov 13 2012 LEEDuser Member 699 Thumbs Up

Hi,
what about equipment costs, e.g. production lines in a manufacuring facility. Would they need to be included?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser BuildingGreen, Inc.
Jan 27 2011
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precerticfiation

Do you have a copy of the BD&C Reference Guide? CS Appendix 5 discusses precertification. My understanding is that you simply register the project through LEED Online and then document it pretty much like a normal project.

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Daniela Castro Salgado LEED AP BD+C / Architect, Edmonds International Ltd Mar 17 2011 Guest 531 Thumbs Up

I have a similar question. I found the precertification templates on the "Sample Downloads" section in LEED online, however, when I try to access to the real forms for my project I only get certification forms. Am I missing anything?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Mar 17 2011 LEEDuser Moderator

Daniela, I believe (and I am only 70% sure so please check and let me know if this makes sense) that if you already registered your project as a normal LEED-CS project then you would only see the regular certification forms. You need to register as a pre-certification project (or change your registration) to access those forms. Please post back with your progress.

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Daniela Castro Salgado LEED AP BD+C / Architect, Edmonds International Ltd Mar 17 2011 Guest 531 Thumbs Up

Yes I was just checking that. The project is registered with precertification and we can now see the precertification forms by clicking on each project. Thanks!

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Gabriela Hernández Castillo Architect, LEED AP BD+C , SYASA - México Jun 24 2011 Guest 2211 Thumbs Up

On leed-online there is a double count for precertification forms, one says (v03) and the other one says (v04). What is the difference?

It does not refer to the LEED version (LEED 2009 = LEED v3), it refers to the forms which is strange.

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