LEED Reviews: LEED Online, Appeals, Design/Construction Submittals, and more

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Do you have questions on LEED reviews: LEED Online, appeals, design/construction submittals, or anything else? Post them here and get help from other LEED users! This is the "official' forum space on LEEDuser for these topics. Please read through and contribute—and good luck on those reviews!

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Rick Alfandre Principal Alfandre Architecture
Apr 17 2014
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Adding credits between preliminary review and final review...

I have read through a fair amount of comments above, but did not see my specific question addressed, so I will pose it:

We are submitting construction phase preliminary review. We are close to the edge of certification, but are holding off on the Green Power credit. If our preliminary review comes back unfavorably, is there any issue with adding a credit for final review?

Thank you.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Apr 17 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

That's fine. We do it all the time.

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Skotieono Johnson The Miller Hull Partnership
Apr 07 2014
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Complex Credit Definition

I've clicked on all the links that have been posted in this blog in hopes of finding the list of "complex credits" but I haven't seen anything. The link on the GBCI website is broken. Anyone have the list?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Apr 07 2014 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

I think that EAp2 and EQp1 are on the list. I don't think any others are on the list but maybe I am missing another one.

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Glen Phillips Director of Sustainable Education, GreenCE, Inc. Apr 07 2014 LEEDuser Member 204 Thumbs Up

For LEED-NC 2009, the complex credits are EAp1, EAp2, EAc1, and EQp1, more information here: http://www.gbci.org/org-nav/announcements/11-09-16/energy_credit_appeal_...

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Michael Smithing Director - Green Building Advisory, Colliers International Apr 08 2014 LEEDuser Member 1728 Thumbs Up

The complete list for all rating systems (not including v4) is on page 21 of the Certification Policy Manual here: http://www.usgbc.org/sites/default/files/Jan2012_Cert_Policy_Manual_0.pdf

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Christopher Law Associate, LEED U.S. Green Building Council
Apr 02 2014
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Apply to LEED Committees by April 10

Hi experts,

Wanted to notify those subscribed to this forum of the ongoing LEED Committee Call for Volunteers. This opportunity is open until next Thursday, April 10th at 8:00 pm EST.

Among the committees seeking volunteers this round is the Implementation Advisory Committee. This group advises on the technical resources and tools supporting LEED programs to ensure a positive experience for LEED users.

More information is available at the following pages:

• Volunteer Opportunity Page: Background on each committee seeking volunteers and the specific expertise areas sought during this round of applications. http://www.usgbc.org/committees/volunteer-opportunities/leed-call

• Application Tool: Online survey to submit your self-nomination and expand upon your professional background. https://usgbc.wufoo.com/forms/2014-leed-committees-call-for-volunteers/

• Blog Post: Original March 10th announcement on USGBC.org, which includes further information on the selection process. http://www.usgbc.org/articles/become-leed-committee-member

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gretchen leigh Interior Architects
Mar 27 2014
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LEED Certification over a 5 year phased construction schedule

We're getting ready to register a project (single tenant in a multi story building) under LEED 2009 but the multiple floors/phased project won't be complete for 5 years total. Can we still certify the whole project under one registration?The project will be designed under LEED CI 2009.

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Tim Habraken
Mar 17 2014
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Split review - extend deadline?

Dear all,

A quick question: I am working on a C&S project - aiming at a split review (construction phase & design phase). Since it's a rather large and complex project, the construction phase will be longer than the 18 months between both reviews (as stated in the certifcation documentation).

One thing we could do: submit the design phase 18 months before substantial completion (months after the actual construction has already started), but that seems a bit strange to not have the review phases run parallel to the actual design and construction phase.

Does anybody know if there are possibilities to extend the 18-month deadline? thanks!

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Mar 17 2014 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

You should be able to extend that time frame.

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PATRICK HILLIER
Mar 13 2014
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Exactly at silver - can you add points after construction final?

Based on my CD review comments and current estimates I am exactly 50 points for silver (2009 NC). If in our final review we miss any points we will not make silver. Our back up is to buy some green power but would like to wait to see if it is necessary. Is is possible to submit for this after the final CD review?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

I believe the only way to add them in is to "appeal" the credit. Which is unfortunate. This is something that the GBCI could improve upon :) . Reviewing this credit probably takes 10 minutes. The appeal $500 may be more than the cost of green power if your project is <25,000 sf.

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PATRICK HILLIER Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 21 Thumbs Up

Yes is small - I'm getting quotes now - we may just submit just in case. Thanks!

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

If you need a certain level, always submit with a least two to three points above the desired cert level.

Kathryn, not every appeal takes just ten minutes and you forget the time administratively that it takes prior to the reviewer even opening the credit.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

ok I will concede to your point, I just hate when I have to weigh the options of risking the need for an appeal or paying for the green power up front with the final review. There are probably other appeals that take forever to review so I guess it evens out in the end.

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PATRICK HILLIER
Mar 13 2014
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Revisions to design submittal during CD submittal

As part of my CD submittal response - that had corrections to my design submittal final - there were files that I was fairly certain I had uploaded but the response was "no new information was submitted". I guess my first question is why didn't anyone ask when reviewing since I submitted it for review? Now that it has been reviewed and denied in Design and in my first CD review can I still submit in my final CD submittal or is appeal required at this time?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Each credit gets two reviews. So if you missed the design final you can have it reviewed in the construction prelim.

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PATRICK HILLIER Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 21 Thumbs Up

It was reviewed and declined in construction prelim. So I can still correct in construction final?

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

Things disappear on LEED online. This is why you upload, log out, log back in at a later time, and ensure the document is there and opens. Have seen it happen a few times where docs disappeared.

This is why you provide a narrative when submitting a response to the preliminary review. You state what was corrected and what has been uploaded. If the reviewer reads the narrative, they at least know you submitted something and will more then likely send a MRC to get the document. When you don;t, and the reviewer sees nothing in response, this is what you get. They cannot assume on every review that has nothing in response, that someone actually did do something. This is not reality and the their time would be spent doing nothing but MRCs.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Each credit gets two reviews. If it only had one you can resubmit it. If it already had two it typically requires an appeal.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

Todd, I have had the same experiance as you, and do the same thing. Always log out, then back and make sure everything is there. Also include a good narrative on what you submitted and thought process if applicable.

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 715 Thumbs Up

On your timeline tab you can download the information, documentation submitted in each phase. I would check if the missing document was in that list. If yes, I would try to contact the reviewer team and check with them what was the problem.

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Melissa Schifman Principal Sustology
Mar 12 2014
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LEED Review clarification

Quick question that I’m hoping you can help me with. When you submit credits and LEED comes back with a review, is that the first and only review? Or will they come back with comments again after you re-submit the same credit? Just nervous about one credit on a project and wondering if I’ll have another chance at getting it or if I only get one chance to respond with an explanation.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Mar 12 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

You have a preliminary review then a chance to respond. Then there is a final review based on the information you provided in your respose. After that any outstanding issues can only resolved through an appeal.

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Melissa Schifman Principal, Sustology Mar 13 2014 LEEDuser Member 29 Thumbs Up

Thank you Kathryn

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Rosemary Mascali Manager Transit Solutions
Mar 11 2014
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Entering Transporation Management Plan on LEED Online

My client is pursuing an exemplary point for a Transportation Management Plan for a V2009 NC application. I indicated this on the Credit 3.1 form and uploaded the plan, but it's not showing on the scorecard as an ID point. Do I have to enter the information again under the Innovation and Design section? I would have thought it would have flowed through automatically.
Thanks.

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Rosemary Mascali Manager, Transit Solutions Mar 11 2014 LEEDuser Member 21 Thumbs Up

Never mind. I got it to work by setting up a design ID credit, selecting exemplary, then choosing the transportation credit, which linked it to the documentation I had already posted.

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Catalina Caballero Sustainability Coordinator JALRW Eng. Group Inc.
Feb 06 2014
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Contacting the LEED Reviewer (Aiming Platinum)

We have received the comments for our project but for EAp2 and EAc1 we would like to clarify or understand where the reviewer is coming from since a comment doesn't seem to make sense to us. Before we submit our last clarifications we wanted to contact him/her but he doesn't seem to be accessible. I have heard before for other companies and other projects that they were able to talk to reviewer but I was wondering if this is common or not.

Thanks much

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Feb 06 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

You can go through GBCI. It will take several weeks to get a response. http://www.gbci.org/org-nav/contact/Contact-Us/Project-Certification-Que...

Take time to word your question very carefully and quote the LEED review comment. Explain that you are asking about EAp2 & EAc1.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Feb 09 2014 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

Our experience has been a little different. We have regularly contacted the assigned GBCI review team using the Contact Us portion of the LEED On-Line, and normally in a week or so get a time set up to have a conference call. For all the reasons you mention, this has been extremely useful feedback so we can get the best opportunity possible to answer their question before answering. I recommend trying it, as it has worked very well for us. Full disclosure here…we did not always prevail in this process, but we avoided an appeal which is just as important. We also learn something, and make sure to broadcast that within the firm for the next submittal. Good luck!

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Feb 10 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

using the feedback button, the GBCI contact us page, or something other avenue? I have had good luck getting clarification on review comments. The past 3 questions I've asked have taken at least 3 weeks to get answered though. It may depend on which review team your project has and how complicated your question is? I'm really glad we're able to get answers to questions and in some instances correct an errant LEED review comment. For example, I was recently told that my green power purchase volume had to match my energy model energy use. My project did not complete an energy model;we used a prescriptive option. We were able to clarify this through GBCI instead of taking a gamble in the final design review.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Feb 11 2014 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

We have used both the feedback and the contact us. Not sure on why timing might be so different. Ours were not in a week, but I do not remember any taking 3 weeks either.

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Erika Duran Sustainability Consultant Dagher Engineering
Feb 05 2014
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CIR and Documentation

Does anyone know if you have submitted a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide and gotten positive feedback on your strategy, do you have to upload the response with your credit documentation or is it linked already to your project and the review team has access and knowledge of the whole situation?

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Feb 05 2014 LEEDuser Expert 12132 Thumbs Up

I've always mentioned the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide in the project narrative and in the applicable credit. I think it is best to actively remind the reviewer about the CIR since they do not issue it instead of relying on them to look it up.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Feb 09 2014 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

I agree with Susan. We had another situation once where someone knew of a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide they got on a project, and shared it with several others. While it was project specific, and we could not reference it directly, we were able to use the justification in our submittal and gained the same result.

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CT G
Jan 27 2014
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Alternative Compliance Path from one project for another project

Hello,

We have submitted an alternative compliance path for WEp1 which was denied. However, the same alternative compliance path was accepted during a previous review for another project. Was it therefore reasonable to assume that it would be approved here as well? Can one use the same path on a new project and make reference to the fact that it has already been previously accepted on another project?

Thanks for any insight!

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jan 27 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

Can you describe your alternative compliance path approach? In my experience the LEED reviewers really follow the letter of the law outlined in the water use reduction additional guidance (version 8) document. You can find it on www.usgbc.org

The LEED review teams are contracted through the GBCI to do the reviews.

Your project probably wasn't reviewed by the same reviewer or company who approved your approach last time.

Just because your strategy was approved by one review team doesn't mean the next one will approve it, unfortunately.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jan 27 2014 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

It may be reasonable depending on the reasonableness of the alternative approach. Technically a previous review does not establish precedence. Suppose a reviewer mistakenly approved something that they should not have approved - if precedence were paramount then that mistake could never be corrected.

You can make reference to the fact that it was approved previously but that does not carry any weight and will not be taken into account in most cases.

A slight amendment to Kathryn's comment above regarding review teams. Some reviewers are contractors but the majority are GBCI employees. Her basic point about it being a different reviewer certainly holds true, especially when it comes to evaluating alternative compliance paths.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jan 27 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

That's interesting, I didn't know a majority were GBCI employees? thanks for the clarification. I'm familiar with a few companies in my area that do LEED reviews but run into far fewer GBCI employees.

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Glen Phillips Director of Sustainable Education GreenCE, Inc.
Jan 23 2014
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Design Preliminary Review - change forms to In-Progress?

I have inherited multiple LEED registered projects, and it has been a while since I submitted anything for LEED. LEEDonline for two LEED v2009 projects under review is acting differently for each. One project is in Design Preliminary Review, and forms for credits that are "pending" show as complete. When I select the "In-Progress" option so I can edit them, I get a big warning about having to resubmit or withdraw the credit. Is it correct to go ahead and select that?
The other project is in Design and Construction final review, and the credits that are pending are not marked as complete and can be edited.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Feb 11 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

In my experience the only risk is selecting "in progress" for any credits that are already marked "anticipated." You really only want to do that if you have made some sort of design change that requires you to update your documentation. If you accidentally change an anticipated credit to "in progress" then I think you have to submit them for review again. When you say "In Design Preliminary Review" do you mean you got your Design preliminary review back and are in the process of responding?

changing any "pending" credits to "in progress" is fine, cause they need fixin' anyways.

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Sylvain laporte GASD-Co
Jan 22 2014
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Design stage submittal credits

I m currently studying for LEED AP BD+C exam .
I failed to find and updated list of credit eligible for design stage submittal.
I guess there is something obvious that i missed. Or is it only available trough leedonline for registered project?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jan 22 2014 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

The LEED checklist Excel file that you can download for free indicates which credits are design and which are construction.

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Eric Carter Intern Architect Method Studio, Inc.
Jan 13 2014
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Certification: Final Steps

Just last week, we submitted our Construction Credits for Preliminary Review. This is my first LEED project and I am just wondering what to expect after Final Review and the Appeal stage, if necessary: (LEEDonline describes every step up to certification, which is listed as 'in development' on their help section). Any insight would be helpful.

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group Jan 14 2014 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

Once you accept the final review you will get an email from GBCI stating the project's certification level along with a bunch of other information. This includes press release guidelines, images, and information in regards to ordering your plaque.

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Jan 29 2014 LEEDuser Member 715 Thumbs Up

Hi!
How long does it take too get the plaque after accepting the certificate?
Thanks,
Adrienn

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Kristina Bach CORE Steward, Cooper Carry Jan 29 2014 LEEDuser Member 636 Thumbs Up

I'd recommend contacting Green Plaque directly to determine how long it might take to receive whatever plaque you decide to order once your project is certified (http://www.greenplaque.com/). My guess is that the production and shipping time might vary based on what type of plaque/options you choose to purchase.

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Jennifer Knocha Assistant Mack-Cali Realty Corporation
Dec 19 2013
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EBOM initial review submission

We are currently working on an EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. submission with a deadline of 12/23. Given that it's the holidays, we've had some trouble tracking down some last minute details, so we were considering asking for an extension of deadline. We want to avoid extending the PP, but we need another week or so to confirm some data. Is this possible and will it affect us?

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

Just ask for an extension, its not a big deal and real easy to do. You may not get an response back until after your deadline anyway this time of year. If you don;t hit the deadline or ask for an extension, it won;t stop your review. Seen project not ask for an extension and resubmit almost a year later. But asking for one is a courtesy and part of the process.

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Expert 12132 Thumbs Up

Agreeing with Todd, the extension is not a big deal. They will give you 25 days and if you choose to only use 7 days, that is fine. They are going to give you a flat 25 days no matter what.

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Kasandra Martin Designer
Dec 17 2013
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How do you get uploads pre-approved with USGBC?

IEQp1 says to have my output reports pre-approved by USGBC. How and will it keep my form from saying it complies?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jan 22 2014 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

where does it say that?

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Jean Marais b.i.g. Bechtold DesignBuilder Expert
Dec 12 2013
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double charged?

I'm appealing WEp1. We built in extra water saving measures. It seems that leedonline wants to charge me to update WEc3. Surely that is not fair.

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Susan Walter Sr Project Architect, Wilmot/Sanz Dec 12 2013 LEEDuser Expert 12132 Thumbs Up

Assuming you aren't going to earn WEc3, then no it is not fair.

We recently had to appeal an exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. credit and had been granted the point for the credit. We couldn't get LO to not bill us for the credit and the EP credit. We paid both and GBCI was very easy to deal with on the refund.

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Todd Bundren Associate, Lawrence Group Dec 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 768 Thumbs Up

We just successfully appealed EAp2 and EAc1 at the same time while only paying for EAp2. We included a narrative explaining our intent to appeal both in the EAp2 submission. Call the GBCI help line and they can walk you through the process, bottom line is we didn't get double charged and were awarded the prerequisite and Credit. Good luck.

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Jean Marais b.i.g. Bechtold DesignBuilder Expert Dec 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 7156 Thumbs Up

Thanks. I've decided to just appeal the prerequisite. If they don't update the credit which is marked as changed, then I will follow it up. Payment wise it makes things simpler.

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Todd Bundren Associate, Lawrence Group Dec 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 768 Thumbs Up

Just be sure to add a quick couple sentence narrative describing your intent and you should be good. Never expect the reviewer to assume your intent. Best of luck.

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Josep Escarra Energy consultant ERF, Estudi Ramon Folch i Associats
Dec 12 2013
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Certification Review Acceptance Form

Hi all,
We've just recived our final construction report, and we agree with this result (64 point earned). The project administrator try to Accept the review in the LEED Online, but in the "Certification Review Acceptance Form" screen, the Project information summary says:

Points achieved: 0
Certification level:

Our question is; we have to accept (submit) this result???

Thank you very much!

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Josep, sounds like a glitch.  I would contact GBCI and ask them to fix it.

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Kasandra Martin Designer
Dec 11 2013
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IEQp1 LEED Online form what to input?

For ASHRAE 62.1 do I upload forms for the Baseline of meeting ASHRAE 62.1 and not my forms for IEQc2 Increased Ventilation? Table IEQp1-3. Mechanical Ventilation AHU1.Air-handling units (AHUs) are mechanical indirect heating, ventilating, or air-conditioning systems in which the air is treated or handled by equipment located outside the rooms served, usually at a central location, and conveyed to and from the rooms by a fan and a system of distributing ducts. (NEEB, 1997 edition) 2.A type of heating and/or cooling distribution equipment that channels warm or cool air to different parts of a building. This process of channeling the conditioned air often involves drawing air over heating or cooling coils and forcing it from a central location through ducts or air-handling units. Air-handling units are hidden in the walls or ceilings, where they use steam or hot water to heat, or chilled water to cool the air inside the ductwork. Summary - Energy Simulation Do I enter values for Baseline ASHRAE 62.1 and what I actually designed? I am confused where to enter the Baseline and the 30% increased ventilation.

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Kasandra, these would be good questions to post to those specific forums on our site.

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H.K.C.B. Heendeniya Co-Energi (Pvt) Ltd.
Nov 25 2013
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Expedite CIR ruling

Dear Community,

Is there a way to expedite the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide ruling process?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 09 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

HKCB, not really except to email GBCI and ask them nicely. I don't think there is a specific process or fee to expedite.

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James MacMillan VP - Director of Sustainability Karpinski Engineering
Nov 13 2013
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Request zip files for download

In LEED online version 2.0 there was the option to request and download the zip file for the complete, certified project. The zip file contained all the templates and files upload to the site. Has anyone downloaded this completed file on v3 or know where I can find it?

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Nov 13 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

I have not found it if it exists. What I do is go to the Timeline tab. There you can get the project report (and print it to a PDF) at the top. Then under each review and appeal, there will be a “View Snapshot” link. Go to that link, and there you will find a “Download All” button and you will get a zip file that you can save. You have to do this for each segment, but it does get you all the submittal information. The only downside is if a credit was questioned, then it shows up later in another segment. So, you have to make sure and look for the latest place it shows up in a zip file.

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caitlin sweeney
Nov 13 2013
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Assuring that reviewer holds us to v2 requirements

I am about to submit one of our projects for review under v2 version. I want to make sure that the reviewer will take in consideration only requirements that apply to this version and not any latter versions and addendums. Is there a way to ensure a fair review under the version that was applicable (way back) when this project began?

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Elizabeth Thompson LEED Specialist, USGBC Nov 16 2013 Guest 384 Thumbs Up

Hi Caitlin,
Projects are held to the requirements that are applicable to the project's rating system and registration date. If you have any questions about the requirements, please feel free to ask us in advance, or after you receive the project's review comments, by using our Contact Us page (http://www.gbci.org/contactus). You can also read more about the required timelines for submitting in the Certification Policy Manual (http://www.usgbc.org/resources/leed-certification-policy-manual).

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SOHA YAMANI
Nov 13 2013
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Appeal for design credits after construction phase

is it possible to appeal for denied design credit after submitting the construction stage credits and receiving the preliminary construction review ?

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Soo young No FCA construction Nov 13 2013 LEEDuser Member 170 Thumbs Up

I think you could.
I just finished my LEED project (Certified)
I had one denied credit in Preliminary construction submittal and I have resubmitted with Final construction submittal . it got approved.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Nov 13 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Yes you can. An appeal and the remainder of the construction review are separate submissions. You can submit an appeal at anytime.

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Renee Shirey Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Member 2640 Thumbs Up

My question is along those lines. I am working in LEED v2.2, and have the results of the Final Design Credit. To move onto the Construction Phase in V2.2 I have to click on something to accept the findings of the Final Design Credit. In accepting the results (including the denial of a particular credit), does that negate my ability to put in an Appeal later? (I didn't know if v2.2 or v2009 worked any differently.) Thanks

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Nena Elise Mar 17 2014 LEEDuser Member 2735 Thumbs Up

Marcus, you say "You can submit an appeal at anytime" but GBCI says "Any denied credits can be appealed either after the final design review or after the final construction review."

I have a project under preliminary construction review and I am unable to click the any buttons to submit a design credit appeal. If there is a way to submit before the final construction review, please let me know.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Mar 17 2014 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

There may be some logistical reason within LEED Online that you can't do both at the same time. Contact GBCI through the Contact Us on their web site. I am sure they would be happy to arrange to receive your appeal if you cannot do it through LEED Online.

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Keith Barnes
Nov 12 2013
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Design Review Appeal or Construction Review?

We have been denied two prerequisites from the Design Phase (EAp2 and IEQp1) after the final design review. The project will be substantially complete in a month and a half. There were errors in our calculations and documentation that is requiring us to resubmit for these prerequisites. Does it make sense to begin the appeal process for these two prerequisites or would it be better to submit the revised documentation for these denied prerequisites during the construction review?

Your thoughts and experience is appreciated. Thank you.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Nov 13 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

The appeals and the construction review phase are separate submissions. So no need to wait.

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K KRAFT
Nov 13 2013
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removing a credit from submission

Hello LEEDuser members,
We are in the process of addressing comments from our Design and Construction Preliminary Review. The project is going for certification level using the Core and Shell rating system. There is a credit (not prerequisite) that we are no longer going to apply for because we don't need the point, nor do we have the time needed to address the comments from USGBC's review regarding this particular credit.
Does anyone know what/if there is a process for removing a credit from a submittal? Also, if USGBC has already commented on that credit and is requesting clarification, does it complicate matters?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Nov 13 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

You can simply withdraw that credit. Just indicate your desire to do so in your response to the preliminary review.

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Elizabeth Thompson LEED Specialist, USGBC Nov 13 2013 Guest 384 Thumbs Up

Instructions on how to remove a credit are available here: https://www.leedonline.com/irj/go/km/docs/documents/usgbc/leed/config/co.... If you have any questions about your review comments, you're always welcome to write to us and we'll be glad to help: http://www.gbci.org/contactus.

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SOHA YAMANI
Nov 12 2013
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submit an ID design credit after construction preliminary review

Dear Sirs,

i am working on a CI project and we have been awarded 48 points in the design stage credits , how ever we are targeting gold, and we still have 13 points to be earned in construction stage , total of 61 , but the project team is a little bit worried we wouldn't achieve gold, and we were negotiating working on green education program, but since it is considered a design credit we wanted to know is it possible to submit this credit as an appeal but after the construction phase preliminary review (in case we didn't get the total 13 construction points)?

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Michael Smithing Director - Green Building Advisory, Colliers International Nov 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 1728 Thumbs Up

There is no requirement to submit design credits with the design review - you can also submit them with the construction review. Depending on where you are in the process, you can submit the Education Program with the Construction Preliminary or Construction Final review. If possible, submit with the Preliminary review so that you get a chance to address any comments that the review team may have. You will not have to appeal (and pay the additional fee) as this will be part of the Construction Review.

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Luciana T.
Nov 01 2013
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Reviewer revising forms?

Have any of you experienced a review in which the reviewer revised/corrected the form as he/she saw fit changing the numbers from the original input. The mechanical engineer is saying that the numbers on the WEp1 form are not what he input originally but that the reviewer modified them. Now during construction credits, we have to work on that form again per comments from the reviewer and we do not know what to do.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Nov 01 2013 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

If the form is not filled out correctly sometimes they will fix it in the final design review. Example = if the duration on your sink is wrong.

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Luciana T. Nov 01 2013 LEEDuser Member 68 Thumbs Up

Yes, it seems that it was a little more than that. Our project is not so straight forward so we would need to discuss how to approach it and we have not been successful getting a conversation with anybody at GBCI. Any thoughts?
Thank you,

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 03 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Luciana, I am surprised you have not been able to reach anybody at GBCI. They have developed a strong reputation for customer service in cases like this. Have you contacted them via their website with the specific issue and a request for a phone call?

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Lynne Martin Interior Designer Diversified Design Group LLC
Oct 09 2013
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LEED v2.2 Design Review Timeline

Is there a defined amount of time that the review will take once it have officially started?

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group Oct 09 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

I'm assuming that the start time you mean is from the time when you hit submit. That being the time, it will range from 3 weeks to a month to get your review comments typically. It may be less if you are doing a separate submission, it could take longer if you receive an MRC from the review team, and it may take longer due to the time of year you submit it.

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Sara Curlee BWBR
Oct 02 2013
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Construction Review Submittal Deadline

I am working on a campus project targeting LEED Platinum under NCv2.2. Due to various things, the Construction Submittal for the project has languished and now it appears we are hitting the 2 year of substantial completion deadline for turning it in. Does anyone have experience with how strict the GBCI is on this deadline?

The project team only became aware of this deadline recently, due to other communication with the GBCI. For those curious, it is outlined in NC 13.3 of the NC Appendix of the GBCI LEED Certification Policy Manual (https://www.leedonline.com/irj/go/km/docs/documents/usgbc/leed/config/te...).

The project has successfully completed the Design Review and is trying to wrap up the last of the items for the Constructon Review. Due to this project being on a campus, it just seems like decisions are taking longer to make and then acted upon.

Thank you in advance.

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Megan Ritchie Saffitz Director of LEED Support, U.S. Green Building Council Oct 02 2013 Guest 480 Thumbs Up

Congrats on wrapping up your Construction Application. You should have no difficulty in submitting it.

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Tony Holub Architect, DKA Apr 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 26 Thumbs Up

We have a similar situation with a campus project taking longer than 2 years after substantial completion to submit for review. We have now received review comments back and the reviewer noted this requirement. This post seems to suggest that this is not an issue however we need to respond to the comment. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you.

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Vivien Fairlamb
Oct 01 2013
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Supporting evidence file uploads

I have recently started the design stage submittal on a LEED 2009 NC project and I went to several credits under Sustainable sites including but not limited to SSc4.2 and SSc4.3 and when I click on file uploads it states there are no uploads required for the credit. I was under the impression from previous projects that one would need to upload a site plan showing location and number of cycle racks etc along with the template.
My question therefore is has anything changed on LEED online that I was not aware of relating to file uploads?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 03 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Vivien, USGBC has been working to remove unnecessary signatories and uploads from documentation. However, reviewing the latest (v04) forum for NC 2009 just now, I do see a required upload for a site plan.

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Gaston Michaud Mechanical Engineer CTS
Sep 19 2013
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Submitting a new credit after final construction review

Hello everyone,
We just received the final construction review, and found out that our project got 59 points awarded. As we expected, the owner wants to achieve Gold certification; therefore, we are trying to include one new credit in an appeal review, is that even possible?

Our other option would be to try to appeal the Green Power credit (which has been awarded already), to purse it again with exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. and get that additional point we need. Has anyone done that before? Any suggestions?
We understand that the appeal stage would be only for denied credits, but at this point, we are not in a position to follow that option.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Sep 19 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

You you can add a credit through an appeal.

Assuming you have not maxed out your ID credits already you can get exemplary performanceIn LEED, certain credits have established thresholds beyond basic credit achievement. Meeting these thresholds can earn additional points through Innovation in Design (ID) or Innovation in Operations (IO) points. As a general rule of thumb, ID credits for exemplary performance are awarded for doubling the credit requirements and/or achieving the next incremental percentage threshold. However, this rule varies on a case by case basis, so check the credit requirements. for EAc6 through an appeal. Just buy more green power and resubmit EAc6. If you qualify you would be awarded an exemplary performance ID credit automatically. This should be pretty straight forward.

Again if you have an ID credit open you could add one. Commonly earned ID credits that would not be too late would include green building education, an EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. operational credit, or exemplary performance for another credit.

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Shivani Langer Architect SHW Group
Sep 17 2013
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Questions regarding preliminary design review comments

If we have questions regarding GBCI reviewer comments that were sent to us after preliminary design review submission, can we just submit them when we submit for final design review, or those need to be asked prior to the final design submission?
If prior, what is the way to ask those questions?
Thanks!

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Sep 17 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

If you have clarifying questions about the review comments then go to GBCI's web site. Under Contact you can direct a question related to your project's certification review comments. This is also typically a link provided in the email from GBCI notifying you that your review comments are done.

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Ivy Glasgow Project Architect DLR Group
Aug 19 2013
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Construction change will allow us to achieve credit

NC 2009 project. Two problems.

First, we were denied Credit WEc3 in Design phase re-submittal. This appeared to be because of a glitch in the way the online form calculates the credit. An explanation & corrected calculation on a sample form that correctly calculated the credit was attached, but it was either not read or not addressed in the text of the denial. Even so, we only missed the point by 0.21% - a quarter of one percent. This was disappointing.

Second, in the course of construction lower-flow fixtures were substituted. We would now meet the credit even when using the glitchy online form. Because there was a design change during construction, can we now re-submit the point without filing an appeal? Or would this have to be done through the appeal process?

Apologies if this has already been addressed in this forum, I was unable to find a similar question.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Aug 19 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

If you are certain that there was a form error and you submitted correct calculations you can ask GBCI to take another look through the contact us portion of their web site before you appeal. You can't make any changes to your calculations without an appeal.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Aug 19 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

We had a similar situation recently with a problematic template, and were able to resolve it with emails and phone calls. They took a second look, and we were granted the credit without appeal.

I agree with Marcus, if the values changed, then an appeal is required.

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Hector Arellano Econer S.A.
Aug 05 2013
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APPEAL DESIGN CREDITS AFTER CONSTRUCTION PRELIMINARY REVIEW

In a Core and Shell building we are finishing the construction process and we have obtained 47 points in the design stage.
The goal of the owner is a GOLD certification,we must have at least 13 points in the construction credits review .
To date we have just those 13 points but have options to get 4 additional points if is necessary: Appeal two denied design credits and/or buy RECs to comply with EAc6.

Is it possible to decide to appeal the design credits denied and / or purchase RECs after preliminary review of construction credits and prerrequisites?.

Atte

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Aug 06 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

You certainly could appeal the two design credits at that point. Submitting an additional credit may require a separate fee too as your four phases of review would be over by then.

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Gaston Michaud Mechanical Engineer CTS
Jul 16 2013
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Final Design Review - Language issue

We just received the response of the final design review and the Enhanced Commissioning Credit was denied since the contract that describes the scope of work and the completion date is in Spanish.
Our project is located in Costa Rica, and our native language is Spanish; for this reason we consider that any legal contract between two parties located in this country should be addressed in this language.

Has anyone had a similar issue? Any ideas on a possible solution without an appeal review? Thank you in advance!

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Erika Duran Sustainability Consultant, Dagher Engineering Jul 17 2013 LEEDuser Member 526 Thumbs Up

Gaston,

Did they mention the language issue during the first review of the credit? I would go to gbci.org click on contact at the bottom and explain the situation. Offer to have the document translated and notarized and I would request that they wave the fee if possible. I don't know if there is a place that specifically states a language requirement for documentation maybe a LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. - thoughts? Please keep us posted as to how you resolv this issue....

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Valerie Molinski Director of Sustainability, Vocon Jul 17 2013 LEEDuser Member 920 Thumbs Up

First, I am assuming you meant final construction review, as the enhanced commissioning would not be reviewed during design submittal?

I agree with Erika. If it was not mentioned during the first review, and then the credit was outright denied, you should contact GBCI about it. If this document was noticed during final review, they should have sent you a mid-revew clarification about it to give you an opportunity to remedy the situation. They should give you a chance then and definitely waive the appeal fee if that is how you are required to proceed. It may not even get that far. Do not accept the review or certification until you reach out to GBCI.

With that said, I do believe that GBCI requires all LEED documentation to be translated into English prior to submission. This includes all of the drawings as well. Projects are being submitted from all over the world in so many languages, it is unreasonable to expect the reviewers to be multi-lingual.

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Gaston Michaud Mechanical Engineer, CTS Jul 17 2013 Guest 68 Thumbs Up

Thank you all for your advice.
Actually, we did not submit the credit in the first review since the contract was not ready at that time and we thought that we would not have any issue submitting this information later.
We wrote an email to the review team, and contacted the GBCI; we are still waiting for a response.

You are right Valerie, I meant final Construction review, sorry. I do not expect reviewers to be multi-lingual; but I don't think that dates or scope are hard to infer from a contract in other language. The document clearly stated that the purpose was Enhanced Commissioning, and with a completion date 10 months after substantial completion. Anyways, thank you very much for your reply, I'll keep you guys posted when I find a solution.

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Valerie Molinski Director of Sustainability, Vocon Jul 17 2013 LEEDuser Member 920 Thumbs Up

So it sounds like you submitted the Enhanced Commissioning credit during the middle of construction review.... after the initial review response and before you submitted for final. This would mean that it would only get one look by the reviewers and you would not have a chance to correct it. This is why they outright denied it. That stinks! I am sorry.

I hope they can work with you on this, but I am guessing that they might make you stick to protocol, which means you would have to open and pay for an appeal and revise your submission for one more look by a reviewer to earn the credit.

Good luck!

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Erika Duran Sustainability Consultant, Dagher Engineering Jul 17 2013 LEEDuser Member 526 Thumbs Up

I think they will work with you on this. They should, it is a simple fix - they shouldn't have to infer it from the contract or translate. But they could have also sent a clarification request as well stating that the contract be in English. Also in the final comments they should tell you how to handle the situation. I can see gaps on both sides but a $500 appeal fee for this seems excessive -maybe that is another issue to be addressed completely - let the punishment fit the crime.

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Gaston Michaud Mechanical Engineer, CTS Jul 17 2013 Guest 68 Thumbs Up

We just received the response from the LEED team reviewers, the credit was awarded! Thank you very much for the support.

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Steve Khouw Principal, DNA GreenDesign Jul 17 2013 Guest 1890 Thumbs Up

As a footnote, in China of course all (legal) documents are written in Chinese. However we always submit in native Chinese language but with annotations in English for the translation in the relevant sections of the contracts, drawings, schematics etc. With the English translation on the side, these documents had never been rejected and we never had to go through the trouble of having them notarised and so on.

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FRAGISKOS LEVANTIS LEED AP BD+C, SUSTAIN O.E. Nov 22 2013 LEEDuser Member 43 Thumbs Up

With translations, and for all of us working in different language markets what is needed is LEED to just copy the BREEAMBuilding Research Establishment Environmental Assessment Method, the first widely used green building rating system, developed in the U.K. in the early 1990s, currently used primarily in the U.K. and in Hong Kong. policy in translations. All documentation is uploaded in the native language with a cost of approximately $2,500 (for all documentation). How they do it so cheaply? Simple, instead of translating all documents at BRE (which would definitely cost many times of what they are charging), the BREEAM reviewer, in the quality assurance stage, has a translator next to him and asks him questions like, what does he say here, and what does he say there etc. It is one of the "localisation" issues that LEED should copy BREEAM. Mind you, BREEAM has assessors and therefore QA is simpler and only selective. GBCI checks everything. even so, a significantly higher fee for translation services by GBCI will make all those involved in international projects very happy.

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Erika Duran Sustainability Consultant Dagher Engineering
Jul 08 2013
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Design credit after final Design Revew but Before Construction

Context:
I submitted my design review, addressed all comments and even submitted an appeal. I have not accepted the appeal review yet - the timeline tab still has the appeal review option.

I did not submit the energy model during the design review because the energy model was not ready by the time the rest of the design credits where ready.

We are well into construction and the flooring credit we were pursuing is no longer an option due to a non-compliant floor being purchased and installed.

We had originally estimated one point for the energy model but the end result came out that we achieved two points.

Question:

I want just the energy model reviewed to confirm whether or not we can achieve the 2 points and forgo another more costly credit. I would normally defer this credit until the construction submission but I would rather know now. Would I submit this credit via an appeal? Would it only get one review or can I resubmit it during construction - and then would it get two reviews?

- I also realize that this question might invite more questions but I figure I will just start with the basics and then some back and forth. Thanks

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Kristina Bach CORE Steward, Cooper Carry Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Member 636 Thumbs Up

I would think you could submit EAp2 for the first time via an appeal if you really wanted to (keeping in mind that EAp2 is one of their "complex credits" and will cost you $800/appeal rather than the $500/appeal)... I would think, however, that it would work just like a normal appeal. Meaning that it'd be a one-shot deal and you wouldn't have the ability to provide any clarifications without paying an additional round of appeal fees. That could start getting expensive if you need to provide clarifications to the model before they could verify that you'd at least get the 2-points you want....

Is your project threshold so tight that 1-point is make-or-break for the project? If it's not, I'd probably recommend waiting to submit EAp2 until the construction phase and let it get both rounds of review before you have any extra appeal costs. Are there any other less-expensive credits you could pursue at the same time to help have more of a buffer rather than spend a lot for points now (for example: making sure all your ID credits are all attempted, are you tracking better-than-expected in any of your MR credits, etc)?

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Erika Duran Sustainability Consultant, Dagher Engineering Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Member 526 Thumbs Up

Yes - the threshold is tight (MR's and ID's included in originally tally) - ultimately it is the client's decision whether or not to pursue this option or go for something more costly than the $800.00 or potentially $1600.00 + and with a greater degree of certainty - I want to present him with viable options and I think this would be one of them even though it isn't the traditional way of operating. Thanks.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

I do not think you can appeal a credit before it has been submitted. Even if you could do so you do not want to do so for EAp2 especially since it only gets one review and most projects do not get EAp2 approved in one review. You will likely have to wait until the construction submission.

Contact GBCI and ask them for any other options.

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Kristina Bach CORE Steward, Cooper Carry Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Member 636 Thumbs Up

You can definitely appeal something that has never been reviewed. The only time the system would stop you would be if you tried to appeal a construction-phase credit in the design-phase. Since EAp2 is a design-phase prerequisite, you'd be able to appeal it despite it never being submitted. It's similar to how the system works if you decided to add a brand-new credit after you finished your regular reviews and wanted to go for a few more points.

So it's definitely an option albeit an expensive option. I definitely agree with Marcus, however, that generally EAp2 rarely gets approved in a single review and you should definitely anticipate needing to provide clarifications/appeal multiple times if you go this route. That's why I also recommended waiting until the Construction-phase if at all possible.

I would probably recommend calling this a $1,600+ option to your client when you start comparing all your various options for moving forward as it is highly likely you'd be appeal EAp2 multiple times to verify those points you're after.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Yep on second thought you are probably right about the appeal Kristina.

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Jean Marais b.i.g. Bechtold DesignBuilder Expert
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Time Window for Rework

GBCI documentation says that one has 25 working days to respond to "Clarifications". I am assuming credits marked as "pending" are not actually asking for "clarifications", but telling you what is still needed to be done for compliance. Clarifications to my mind is when the reviewer sends you a message requesting some clarification.

My question is:
Is there a deadline for re-work regarding the design submittal first review comments (split-submittal)? Doesn't this only get re-submitted at the same time as the final (construction) submission?

My point is that sometimes the rework is not possible within 25 days...sometimes you may be starting almost from scratch, because of some fundimental change that needs to be reworked across all credits.

Will the USGBC really strip possible certification due to untimely responses?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

No the 25 days is just the standard operating procedure. Project teams routinely request and are always granted extensions. Even if you do not ask for an extension there is no enforcement on the 25 days. Now if you let it go a year or two someone may contact you.

Regarding the split submission - you should complete the design submission (preliminary and final reviews) before submitting the construction submission.

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Jean Marais b.i.g. Bechtold DesignBuilder Expert Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Member 7156 Thumbs Up

Thanks Marcus...that (thankfully) makes sense and spars me some grey hairs.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Unfortunately it is too late for me and my grey hairs. :-)

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Jordan Friedberg Aug 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 408 Thumbs Up

How long is an extension? How many can be requested? I have seen conflicting information and like this questioner, my project will require work (based on the first review clarifications) that will take longer than 25 days. My team plans to complete the work but some additional construction is required that cannot be completed in 25 days.

I suppose this assumes the construction work must be complete before final submittal. Other than the thermal comfort survey, is this correct? It seems obvious I cannot submit a SOW or narrative of my plans or work-in-progress but you never know.

How does the CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide process interact with the construction review? Based on the clarifications from my first review, my team plans to submit 2 CIRs, which will likely not be returned before the 25 day period is up. Do I just submit everything at once?

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Elizabeth Thompson LEED Specialist, USGBC Aug 12 2013 Guest 384 Thumbs Up

Extension requests between review phases can be requested through our Contact Form, http://www.gbci.org/contactus. Please let us know how long you need in the request. If the request is for more than a month or two, please explain the circumstances. The only limits on extensions between review phases are those within the Certification Policy Manual (https://www.leedonline.com/irj/go/km/docs/documents/usgbc/leed/config/te...) in the sections on project timelines. For example, under 'Application for Standard Review', it states that "Within two (2) years of substantial project completion the Project Administrator shall submit, via LEED Online, a complete application for Standard Review." You are welcome to mention in your extension request that you would like to hold off submitting until the CIRs are returned and the project team has time to incorporate the guidance.

If a project team needs an extension on a Mid-Review Clarification, we can grant those as well through the same weblink, but they need to be cleared by the review team.

The construction work should be substantially complete when the Final Application is submitted.

CIRs are often submitted prior any review phases, in order to gain more information about a particular strategy in advance. However, they can be submitted during the review phases as well.

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Daniel Müllner Project Manager DS ABT
Jul 05 2013
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Credits remain pending after design final review

Hey guys,

maybe you can help me understand my design review score!
Following situation: I have had a couple of credits "pending" after preliminary design review mostly because some prerequisites were not awarded. I made my clarifications and some updates and had all of the prerequisite credits awarded.
But in the design final review report the "untouched" credits still remain pending. Since the prerequisite is awarded you would think that the concerned credit should be awarded as well.
Why is that and how shall I deal with it?

Thanks for your answers!

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Kristina Bach CORE Steward, Cooper Carry Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Member 636 Thumbs Up

Did you make sure to submit the linked credits when you resubmitted your clarifications to the prerequisites? (for example - make sure that both WEp1 and WEc3 were submitted for review even if you only uploaded clarifications/changes to WEp1). Reviewers can only comment on and update prerequisites/credits which are actually submitted for review. It sounds to me that you submitted the prerequisites but that the linked credits weren't actually submitted so reviewers couldn't update them. Since LOv3 lets you now select which credits get submitted in each phase, that's a pretty common occurrence.

You can try contacting GBCI to see if they can update them for you. My understanding, however, has been that they will generally just tell you to make sure to resubmit the linked credits during your next phase (in this case, Construction Preliminary). At that point, reviewers will see that the prerequisites were all awarded and will update the credits and points accordingly.

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Daniel Müllner Project Manager, DS ABT Jul 12 2013 Guest 20 Thumbs Up

Thank you Kristina! That was my guess... but you never now.

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Alejandro Rivera Rivera Sustainability Coordinator Studio Domus
Jun 27 2013
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Update information for previously awarded credits

Our project got back the Final Design Review, but changes that affect one Awarded credit occurred during construction. Can we revise the previously Awarded credit calculations and submit this credit for a third review (Construction Preliminary) at no cost?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jun 27 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Yes, you are supposed to do so and there is no additional fee.

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Alejandro Rivera Rivera Sustainability Coordinator, Studio Domus Jun 27 2013 LEEDuser Member 323 Thumbs Up

That is what I thought. Thanks!

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Robert Cannellos Sustainability Consultant exp
Jun 26 2013
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NC Certification started - considering reducing scope

My project has completed design review, and construction is nearly complete. Owner has occupied the building. This NC project has 2 construction phases - A main building in phase I, and large canopy in Phase II. Construction has been delayed on the canopy phase II and the owner wants to certify the main (occupied) building - can we modify our certification for the Phase I building (only) if our documentation is revised to reflect only phase I, or would we need to go through design review again with revisions?

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Erika Duran Sustainability Consultant, Dagher Engineering Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Member 526 Thumbs Up

Robert,

Did you get a response to this GBCI or LEEDuser? There are issues with certifying part of a building. I would reference Supplemental Guidance to the the Minimum Program Requirements MPR#2 - it states when you can exclude parts of a building and I don't think the canopy would qualify as one of the exceptions listed.

The other strategy would be to count this canopy as an unfinished space and provide documentation from the owner as to how the space or part of the project would ensure that this unfinished space would guarantee that the credit requirements are met. I would reference LI 10102.

Anyone else care to weigh in?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jul 08 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

I would attempt to certify both phases at once. Does the owner really want to explain to people that the building is certified, except for the large canopy out front? What information do you need that you don't have for Phase 2 in order to include it in the submission? Carving something out of the middle of your project is always problematic in my expereince.

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Ed Gulick Architect High Plains Architects
Jun 21 2013
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LEED Online Scorecard discrepancy

I have finally completed the documentation of all credits for a 2009 NC project. I am ready to submit, and have marked off all credits as "complete" in the credit information area. All of them appear with green check marks on the LEED Online scorecard. At the top, the scorecard accurately adds up all of the attempted credits, indicating that we are ATTEMPTING 82 points, which is correct. However, just to the left of this total at the top of the scorecard, there is another line that says "Points Possible: 81."

Why is there one less point possible than we are attempting? Obviously we are right on the brink and need every point we can get. Is there any way to know what point is missing? Should I be concerned?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jun 21 2013 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

Id look at WEc3 first. You have to select a certain #of points you're attempting.

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jul 15 2013 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

or EAc1 :)

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Michael E. Edmonds-Bauer Edmonds International Oct 17 2013 LEEDuser Member 1178 Thumbs Up

It might be because of the all possible regional priority credits.

We are outside the US and tipically WEc1, WEc2, WEc3, EAc1, EAc3 and EAc5.2 are always credits inside the certification scope, and all of these give international projects the extra point por regional priority.

This gives us 6 "possible points" but for regional priority GBCI only grants up to 5, so even if we comply with all of these we will never get the 6 points.

This has always happened with our precertification, we always get one point less from the "possible points".

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Kara Hermann
Jun 21 2013
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What % of projects are LEED Platinum

Does anyone know of statistics that say what % of LEED projects are Platinum, Gold, Silver and Certified? I have not been able to find anything and this would be useful information for promoting LEED to customers. Thank you!

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jun 21 2013 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

There's a button here where you can export all projects and sort by certification level to get the answer: http://www.usgbc.org/projects

I've looked it up by state but I don't think I've done it nationally.

When I looked this fall South Carolina had
27% "Certified"
41% Silver
29% Gold
3% Platinum
(they have a law requiring certain state projects to get LEED Silver minimum)

Colorado had
20% "Certified"
29% Silver
45% Gold
6% Platinum

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jun 21 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Last time I saw these overall stats the recent certifications were about 50% Gold. Over time Platinum has held pretty steady at under 10%. Certified and Silver have been declining and Gold has been rising. Tells me that much of the market has caught up and we need v4 or we are really just rubber stamping the status quo, at least for BD+C projects.

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Kara Hermann Jun 21 2013 LEEDuser Member 112 Thumbs Up

Thank you so much, Kathryn! This is exactly what I was looking for!

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Kathy Wislocky Project Manager Isgenuity LLC
Jun 12 2013
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Mechanics of Appealing

Since this is the first time I need to submit an appeal, I would love some advice on the order of what needs to be done online and what I should expect.

LEED Online:
I haven't touched any of the buttons in the overview tab since our final review came in. I haven't uploaded any new documentation nor updated the forms. Should I begin by revising/updating credits forms, just as I would between a prelim and final review, and then hit the "enter appeal stage" button when all is ready to go? or vice versa? Is hitting the appeal button for when all is ready and I'm prepared to pay and promptly submit all appeals?

What to expect:
Now that we are entering the appeal phase (clarification first level appeal only), will it be the same reviewers or does an appeals board get involved where I should expect a much higher level of scrutiny? Is it recommended that I simply address the technical advice, or do I need to re-inspect everything? I've addressed cross credit compliance issues but found a few very minor errors not mentioned in reviewer comments that don't actually change calculation outcomes. I'm worried if I change something that wasn't brought up before, it might open an unnecessary can of worms. Is this the sort of thing that will cost our project an additional $800 because all will be examined by a broader group of reviewers? Or is just addressing the technical comments sufficient?

Any advice would be great. Thanks

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Tyra Sorensen Jun 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 399 Thumbs Up

I understand your trepidation.
The Appeal button just opens the Appeal stage and allows you to add/delete/edit credits.
A new phase opens with a new Submit Appeal button, for when the ducks are in a row.
If you have specific questions, submit a request for feedback. We had a great call with a reviewer and now know what we missed before. If you had an outside reviewer, they will review it again, but it will also be reviewed by an inside reviewer.
The price is set by the credit or prereq, not the level of change.
Fees: http://www.usgbc.org/leed/certification/fees/overview#tab1 In most systems EAp1, EAp2, EAc1, EQp1 are the complex credits - full list is in the glossary (links from other places seem to be broken)

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Kathy Wislocky Project Manager, Isgenuity LLC Jun 12 2013 Guest 277 Thumbs Up

Tyra-
Thanks for the tips. How did you contact your reviewer? I've gotten general technical feedback through the GBCI "contact us" page, but it was not our project reviewer. A simple phone call could save an enormous amount of time and effort.

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Elizabeth Thompson LEED Specialist, USGBC Jun 12 2013 Guest 384 Thumbs Up

Hi Kathy,
You are welcome to send the Customer Experience team any questions that you have through the Contact Us page (http://www.gbci.org/org-nav/contact/Contact-Us/Project-Certification-Que...). If you would like to schedule a call, we are glad to set that up. When you write to us, please include a list of your detailed questions so that we can ensure that we have the best people on the call to help.
We're glad to answer questions and set up calls between review phases as well to help project teams avoid appeals whenever possible.

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Alison Keay Project Coordinator The Jordan Institute
Jun 11 2013
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How to respond to the review with clarifications for IEQp1

I am looking to upload clarifications (a written explanation) in response to the reviewer's questions for IEQp1, but I cannot find where to reply. Is there an area where I am suppose to submit my explanation to the reviewer? or how to I give them this info?

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Jun 11 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

We upload revised documents if required, and we then normally do a Memo to Reviewer, where we repeat their questions/suggestions and then give our answers/clarifications. This is then uploaded as a PDF to the upload files area for the project.

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Valerie Molinski Director of Sustainability, Vocon Jun 11 2013 LEEDuser Member 920 Thumbs Up

We usually use the 'Special Circumstances' window under "Additional Details" for responses. We type our clarifications there and you are given another button right below to upload any new items.

Sometimes we type the narrative into a word document and upload it as a pdf. In that case, we still use the "Special Circumstances" window, but merely write "See attached narrative."

Hope that helps!

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Alison Keay Project Coordinator, The Jordan Institute Jun 11 2013 LEEDuser Member 64 Thumbs Up

Thank you! Since IEQp1 doesn't have any required uploads, I will have to use the Special Circumstances option.

Thanks!

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Jean Marais b.i.g. Bechtold DesignBuilder Expert Jul 05 2013 LEEDuser Member 7156 Thumbs Up

GBCI documentation says that one has 25 working days to respond to "Clarifications". I am assuming credits marked as "pending" are not actually asking for "clarifications", but telling you what is still needed to be done for compliance.

My question is:
Is there a deadline for re-work regarding the design submittal first review comments (split-submittal)? Doesn't this only get re-submitted at the same time as the final submission?

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EBRU UNVER LEED AP BD+C
Jun 11 2013
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LEED online-cannot reach the credit forms

Hello,
I need some help about the leed-online forms.
This is my first Project as Project admin. We have paid the registration fee and completed registration, and have selected split review.
The PI forms and prerequisites forms are available right away. However, I cannot reach to the other credits forms. Do I have to complete the prerequisite forms, to have other forms? How the process will proceed, could you give me some information?
And also, I cannot see any regional priority credits? At which stage they will be online?
Thank you in advance

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Michael Smithing Director - Green Building Advisory, Colliers International Jun 11 2013 LEEDuser Member 1728 Thumbs Up

Go to the Scorecard and hit the Add/Remove Credits button to select the credits which you are planning on pursuing. Once you have selected your credits they will appear in the scorecard.

You'll never see the Regional Priority Credits in LEED Online - they are added to your score automatically. On the scorecard they have a yellow badge in the RP column - the additional point is automatically added to the total pursued (for example, if you select the option to pursue 9 credits it will show that you are pursuing 10 credits.)

I hope this helps. Good luck with your project!

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EBRU UNVER LEED AP BD+C Jun 12 2013 LEEDuser Member 55 Thumbs Up

Dear Michael,
Thank you for your help.

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Inés Alomar
Jun 06 2013
LEEDuser Member
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Design review appeal

We have been denied a prerequisite from the Design Phase after the second review, and now we need to appeal them or start with the construction review.
We have two main questions:
Do we have any timeline for appealing?
Is it correct to fix it during the construction review?
Thankyou

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jun 06 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

It depends on which prerequisite has been denied. If the one denied is at all related to other credits in the construction phase then you should appeal before submitting the construction credits. If not related then it you could do it concurrently.

There is not definitive timeline for submitting an appeal.

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Kathy Wislocky Project Manager Isgenuity LLC
Jun 04 2013
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Deleting an awarded credit during an appeal phase?

If we are appealing EAp2 and IEQp1 for $500 each, do I also need to pay to remove another already awarded credit?

For reference, our task lighting provisions are complicated. We've been awarded the LIghting Controllability IEQcr6.1 credit, but it's affecting our EAp2 calculations. We have a number of 2-person offices where a sensor was provided to turn on overhead lighting to each individual deskand turn off that half of the room when one desk was not occupied. The reviewer comments said that providing the "capacity" for task lights would enable us to achieve this credit. We have outlets for task lighting but no actual fixtures were provided by the owner.

What did the reviewer mean by "capacity" and should we just drop this credit? Will we need to pay $500 to drop a credit during an appeal phase or how does this work?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jun 04 2013 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

maybe they mean including task lighting in your EAp2 calculation... aka having the task lighting contribute to the lighting power density in the room. .X watts per square foot... that's required per ASHRAE 90.1-2007

FYI- IEQp1 and EAp2 are "complex" credits and cost $800 to appeal.

I'd think you could just remove the credit. I don't see why you'd need to pay to do that?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jun 04 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

You can withdraw a credit at no charge.

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Kathy Wislocky Project Manager, Isgenuity LLC Jun 04 2013 Guest 277 Thumbs Up

Thanks for the quick feedback!

Why on the project overview tab do they specifically list the appeal fee of $500 and then decide to not mention the $800 fee for "complex" credits? This is very deceiving. Especially since they mention EAp2 and EAc1 as an example. I've braced those footing the bill for $500 each based on the text below, not $800. Thanks for the heads up.

From Overview Tab:
"Appeal information: Submitted appeal applications will only be reviewed once; the fee for each appealed item is $500. Related denied credits/prerequisites (example, EAp2 and EAc1) are considered one item. After clicking the 'Enter Appeal Stage' button, the appeal may be cancelled by clicking the 'Cancel Appeal' button in the Overview tab. However, if any item of the application is marked as changed, the project must proceed with appeal application."

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace Jun 04 2013 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

They probably forgot to update the overview tab. This page defines "complex credits" http://www.usgbc.org/glossary

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Jun 04 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

They did update the fees a while back.

http://www.usgbc.org/leed/certification/fees/overview#tab1

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Kathy Wislocky Project Manager, Isgenuity LLC Jun 04 2013 Guest 277 Thumbs Up

Thanks for the links! They really need to update the overview tab to direct people back to the expanded fee list for clarity. Much appreciated!

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Therese Malm WSP Environmental
May 27 2013
LEEDuser Member
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Revise of input load prior to Appeal

Hi,

I have posted the same topic under EAp2 for C&S v.2009 but I guess it is more relevant to post it here.

Hi,
Our project has received a denial for EAp2 and we intend to appeal. While following the recommendations of the reviewer for some unsolved issues, we realized that the equipment load we had assumed for a Core&Shell building is rather high in comparison to the recommendation of User's Manual Table G-C.

Can we revise the equipment load input refering to User's Manual recommendation for Core&Shell buildings prior to an appeal? Note that this revise leads to an increase of cost savings, and an increase of points.

I have read in some posts that Tristan Roberts encourages to take contact with the reviewer via GBCI. Is that possible, and how could someone get track on his reviewer? It could be positive to discuss for some specific comments that might remain uncertain and lead to further appeals. Has someone contacted a reviewer and how can it be done?

Thanks in advance!

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. May 27 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Therese, you can contact GBCI via the contact form on their website. Include your project number, and your specific question. They are being very proactive about handling questions like yours.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group May 28 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

You can change the equipment load. As long as you have a good explanation for doing so the fact that the savings go up does not matter.

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Karim Farid LEED AP Dar
May 27 2013
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Denied Design Credits

If a Design credit was denied in the Final Design review, can I resubmit it with the Construction credit after addind the missing information

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Ahmed Younis Instrumentation and Control Engineer / LEED AP BD+C, Dar Al Handasah May 27 2013 Guest 127 Thumbs Up

Any denied credits can be appealed either after the final design review or after the final construction review. New credits can be attempted and submitted during the initial review or through the appeal process. To appeal, you will need to click the “Appeal” button after the final review has been completed. The project team will then be prompted to submit payment, at which time you should select your payment method. Once payment has been submitted, you will then need to upload the proper documentation under the credits/prerequisites being appealed, and mark them as “complete.” The “Submit Appeal for Review” button will appear, and must be clicked in order to submit the appeal to GBCI for review.

source:http://www.usgbc.org/help/how-can-i-appeal-denied-credit-or-prerequisite

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Jon Quigley
May 24 2013
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When to submit for construction Review

Hello,

My project is ready for construction review in terms of credits being completed but the project is still currently under construction. Can i still submit now? Reason being is that for MR Credit 2.1/2.2 it states to divert construction debris from landfills, with this being said I would imagine i would need to show total diverted debris from the start until the end of the project correct? Therefore i couldnt submit until the project is complete?

Thanks!

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group May 28 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

You should wait until construction is complete and there is no longer any waste disposal activities occurring at the job site. Then document MRc2 and submit.

Depending on what is being targetted, either 50 or 75%, you will have to wait to reach your goal.

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Sofia Kesidou Ms
May 16 2013
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Deleted Uploads Reviewed

We have received our construction preliminary review back and we notice that the reviewer in his comments for couple of the credits queried is referring to uploads that we have not provided in our final submission. It seems that they are referring to previous uploads that we had deleted before submission. We checked the number of files that are indicated on the form and they are in line with what is uploaded. How can they be referring to previous files? Anyone came across this before and if yes what can we do?

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Kathryn West LEED AP BD+C, O+M, Guiding Principles Compliance Professional, Energy Ace May 16 2013 LEEDuser Member 1443 Thumbs Up

I think in the "think like a reviewer" webinar someone from GBCI said the reviewers can see everything you ever uploaded...

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Hernando Miranda Owner, Soltierra LLC May 16 2013 Guest 5821 Thumbs Up

If true, the reviewers needs to stop using "deleted" materials for the reviews. The word delete means erased. It would be inappropriate to use deleted materials against a project for a LEED review.

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Steve Khouw Principal DNA GreenDesign
May 14 2013
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LOv3 incompatibilities preventng access

LOv3 not yet compatible with certain releases of Adobe Acrobat/Reader and IE10, that we know now USGBC IT trying to fix it. Has anybody heard as to when they reckon they can sort it out? Our systems automatically upgrade to the latest release but when we roll back the browser to IE9, LOv3 window still not working and now our Windows browser is playing up too even after we reinstall IE10. So we do not want to change anything with the browser, rather wish USGBC test their application after an upgrade before release to the public and quickly fix this latest incompatibility. Does anyone with similar experience has a way around?

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group May 14 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

Click on the compatibility icon in the browser window first. Then if you still have issues, and this was with IE10, go to the settings in IE, internet options, and reset the settings. These items worked when i first uploaded IE10 and experienced many problems with LEED online.

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Steve Khouw Principal, DNA GreenDesign May 14 2013 Guest 1890 Thumbs Up

Todd, forgive my ignorance, I cannot find the compatibility icon in my IE10, what does it looks like and where does it sits? In the icon bar at the top, but I cannot see it. As to the settings button within IE10 Internet Options, which one? There is a Settings button in each of the following tabs: General, Privacy and Content (2x).

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group May 14 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

It looks like a box broken in half, right beside the refresh icon.

The reset is under the Advanced tab.

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Steve Khouw Principal, DNA GreenDesign May 14 2013 Guest 1890 Thumbs Up

Now I got it, thank you Todd. A thumb up goes to you!

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Todd Reed Daylight Designer, 7group May 14 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6688 Thumbs Up

Your welcome,

I still experience some issues with LEED online even after doing this. Sometimes, once logged into my projects, the screen will automatically scroll down and there is nothing that can stop it. The only cure that i have found for that issue is to reboot my computer. It has happened twice in about two months and I'm on LEED online at least once a day.

Good Luck until the next change!

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Steve Khouw Principal, DNA GreenDesign May 14 2013 Guest 1890 Thumbs Up

Aye Todd, the scrolling down effect was happening to us since after Easter every so often, we too had to reboot. But last week was ridiculous, it happened ALL the time, so we had to complain to USGBC hotline, they say it is an incompatible issue and we are to wait for the fix. Your way around seem to be working on all our computers with IE10. Why can't LOv3 programmers beta test for compatibility before releasing to us nice LEED practitioners?

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Soo young No FCA construction
May 10 2013
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Certification award beforem Grand opening??

We have finished design submittal and working on construction submittal.
I am just wondering when would be good time to submit the submittal?
Owner would like to have a certification flag(or some kind of certification) for grand opening so he can use for marketing purpose. Are there any ways to achieve that?
The thing is, we are going after EA3 Measurement and Verification credit. The credit requirement is compiles energy data and report over 1 year period after occupancy.
Do we have to wait 1 year after occupancy to submit the construction submittal?
Please help!

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants May 10 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

No, the credit requires that the plan be complete, and recently we have been asked to provide contracts for completion of the plan, but not the actual data. The owner will be reporting the global use data per the MPRs, but the actual M&V data and report would not be submitted. However, the data certainly sets them up to pursue EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating sytems. in the future.

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Soo young No FCA construction May 10 2013 LEEDuser Member 170 Thumbs Up

Thanks Scott,
Yes...Plan has been completed.
You mean, we do not have to wait for 1 year after occupancy?
So it may be possible to obtain the certification before Gand Opening?
Than, when would be good time to submit the construction submittal.
Thank you again for your help.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants May 10 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

No, you do not need to wait a year to submit related to EAc5, the M&V credit.

We are rarely the LEED Administrator, so I hope someone would chime in on more of your questions, but as related to MEP aspects, the majority of the engineering credits are done with the design submittal. One more to consider is the commissioning, EAp1 and EAc3 if you are pursuing Enhanced. We try very hard to make sure we are not the last ones ready for the construction submittal, and normally we are not. Many of the MR credits involve a ton of paperwork and analysis, and again I am not an expert on that aspect, so we are normally done with the majority of the commissioning work and have resolved most of the action items within a few weeks of occupancy.

I have been involved in many LEED projects now, and none have been able to get the certification complete “on a schedule” so to speak, as you are trying to do.

Sorry I cannot help you more, and hopefully someone with broader experience will answer the rest of your questions.

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Soo young No FCA construction May 10 2013 LEEDuser Member 170 Thumbs Up

Thank you again Scott,
Ony thing that I know is, one of project in our area, they had the flag at their Grand Opening.
I am just trying to figure out how they did it.
I will share when i find out how.

Any one?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group May 10 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

You will need to complete and submit all of the documentation typically at least 3 months ahead of the grand opening date. As Scott indicates the hold up is often related to the construction credits assigned to the contractor but in my experience commissioning activities can also drag on after occupancy. So you would need to make sure that your documentation is excellent and that all of the documentation tasks are completed on time. You could reduce the 3 months by responding very quickly to any preliminary review comments and there is the option of paying extra for an expedited review. Best case scenario is still probably 1 to 2 months to complete the process.

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Soo young No FCA construction May 10 2013 LEEDuser Member 170 Thumbs Up

Thank you, Marcus!!!

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group May 10 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Your welcome. As you can see we live for thumbs up!

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Albert Sagrera Architect Societat Organica
May 02 2013
LEEDuser Member
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LEED® Certification Agreement

Once finalized the justification of credits, and uploaded the information to begin the process of Design Preliminary Review, in the section Overview, we get this message:
" Your selections do not meet the Review Submittal Requirements for the following reasons:
This review cannot be submitted until the "LEED® Certification Agreement " is signed off."

We do not know how to access this document, who must sign it and where to send it or upload it to be effective and to continue the process.

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Kevin Flynn President, AIA, LEED FELLOW (LEED AP BD&C), EcoDEEP May 03 2013 LEEDuser Member 160 Thumbs Up

Albert -
My experience has been that this is typically signed by the Owner or whoever the Project Administrator assigned to that role at the initial project set-up. If the Owner does not see that as an action item upon log-in, contact the GBCI to ask for their assistance.

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Kevin Flynn President, AIA, LEED FELLOW (LEED AP BD&C) EcoDEEP
May 01 2013
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Using LEED -Schools 2009 templates for LEED Schools 2.0 resubmit

Our project team is appealing a denied IEQp1 on a LEED Schools v2.0 project.
we'd like to use the template for LEED Schools 2009 instead of the ASHRAE 62MZ calculator simply because it provides more clarity and is a bit easier.
Has anyone done this, and/or, would it be allowed?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group May 02 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Yes you could do so but make sure you use the latest version of the form (5.0). Even though LEED 2009 references a more recent version of 62.1 it did not change enough to affect the calculations.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants May 03 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

Kevin, we have used the USGBC 62MZCalc spreadsheet as well, since it gives similar output to the template. Our engineers have found it useful, and since it is provided by USGBC, GBCI seems to find it acceptable. Don’t forget to review the EQ Space Type Matrix, which is quite helpful too, and recently updated.

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Shivani Langer Architect SHW Group
Apr 15 2013
LEEDuser Member
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Appropriate time for submitting the Preliminary Design Review

What would be the recommended time/phase during a New Construction project when one should submit the preliminary design review? I have read in some of the comments that it is done before construction starts, after construction documents are completed. Is it recommended to wait for that long, I am concerned that if things have to be changed as per review comments, it will have to be done after the drawings are already out. Is it then better to submit while CD phase is going on? What are the drawbacks in doing an earlier submission? We would like to attempt at submitting all the prerequisites and the design credits for the preliminary design review.

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Valerie Molinski Director of Sustainability, Vocon Apr 15 2013 LEEDuser Member 920 Thumbs Up

I can tell you that my design submissions on NC projects are happening later and later. This is mostly because of the Energy Model. On many projects, we are asked for things like window assembly information related to the submittals and we do not get those until the project has been awarded and construction starts. We are waiting to receive those from the contractors and they need to be included and accounted for.

In relation to the energy model related credits, I like to submit them once and make sure they are very complete and we know about where we are falling point-wise, so we are waiting until the submittal process begins. It is also so that we don't have to spend a lot of time working on clarifications/narratives during review because we are missing information that the reviewers are looking for.

Submitting the design review (deferring those credits until the construction submittal) without the energy model and related credits complete is just not worth it to me as the bulk of the design points is often tied up in those energey model credits. And that does not give you a clear picture on the points you are earning heading into construction.

It still works out ok if you have a long duration for construction of a project as you will still get final design review complete and a good picture of what credits/points you are earning very early in construction.

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Hernando Miranda Owner, Soltierra LLC Apr 15 2013 Guest 5821 Thumbs Up

There is no documented LEED requirement to provide submittals for review. Why start this now?

I don't see how the USGBC can justify having reviewers doing reviews of A&E submittals. The assumption seems to be that LEED projects have been cheating, and that must be stopped.

LEED certification fees will have to increase to cover these types of submittals.

Consulting fees will have to increase, or the cost has to be eaten at a loss.

I don't see anyone winning here. I also don't see how this helps green buildings in any way.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Apr 15 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

I agree with Hernando, there is nothing that says construction submittals are required for a design credit. Now, I might understand asking to see the specification for the window assembly, which is a design task. EAp2 and EAc1 continue to generate the most comments requiring answer…that is for sure! Many seem to be of the kind that require a modeler to show that they did something the right way, almost like a QA comment, not a real fault found in the model. Others are legitimate or at least arguable points on choices made or processes followed.

I still feel that the energy modeling is so important, and so contentious, that there should be one more round of questions and comments, and maybe even an automatic conference call. This could save everyone’s time.

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Valerie Molinski Director of Sustainability, Vocon Apr 15 2013 LEEDuser Member 920 Thumbs Up

I hear what you both are saying and I agree. However, that is not the reality that I have seen in the last year or so with reviews. I have been asked more than once to provide the window specification information separately, above and beyond from what is shown in the project information uploaded as well as the information included in/utilized for the energy model. Our engineers have been waiting for the submittal process to finish the Energy Model credits once we receive and upload the submittals from the contractor on the window assembly info for this very reason... we got tired of getting the credit bounced back with this comment/clarification multiple times.

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Hernando Miranda Owner, Soltierra LLC Apr 15 2013 Guest 5821 Thumbs Up

The energy review comments affect everyone. No one can get through the system.

People now working for the GBCI who were previously LEED Energy Consultants, and some of the best energy analysts in the field, could not get through a LEED energy review without comments.

In California, the people who wrote the approved Title 24 energy software, and also do energy modeling consulting, cannot get thorough a LEED project without comments.

What purpose would be a call with an energy code super-expert, and software author? To tell them they did not know how to model their building properly?

The burden of submittal proof does not fall on the energy analyst. They run their model based on the final design. They do not do Construction Administration. The burden falls on the LEED Project Administrator to do the work, review the modeling assumptions and request modeling updates prior to final LEED submittal.

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Apr 15 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

Regarding the issues raised about the timing of a design submission and how that relates to the energy model - EAp2/EAc1 is listed as a design credit, however, once your design credits are approved you must indicate that nothing changed to affect this credit during construction prior to your construction submission. The ultimate final model must be based on what was built as a result. Typically we do not have the budget to do the final model twice and we have no way of knowing the extent of the likely changes during construction. So we almost always defer the final model until the construction review phase or we do the final model based on the design with the clear understanding that any changes during construction are outside our scope of work.

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Scott Bowman Principal - Corporate Sustainability Leader, KJWW Engineering Consultants Apr 15 2013 LEEDuser Expert 3777 Thumbs Up

Valerie, we do quite a bit of LEED and energy modeling ourselves, and we track the comments we get from the GBCI reviewers, and we try to always address that list before submission, if appropriate. They always come up with more! Seems like no matter what, you are going to get some comments to answer, just as a matter of course.

To your specific instance on the window submittals, I have looked at our listing (which is a little behind) and some recent v09 review comments, and we have had questions related to glazing and window systems, but none specifically asked for submittals. I did see where we used the submittals in our response, but it is unclear if that was just because we had them, or that we needed them.

I wonder if you have a particular reviewer that is going beyond what should be asked? Have you ever pushed back or asked for a conference call to justify their request? Have they ever justified their request in writing?

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Shivani Langer Architect, SHW Group Apr 15 2013 LEEDuser Member 233 Thumbs Up

Thank you everyone for all your comments and raising concerns about the complexity of energy modeling and energy credit submissions, but in relation to all the other design credits and prerequisites, is it helpful to submit those prior to when construction documents go out or is it better to wait till that stage in order to ensure minimum changes to the submission is needed later on.

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Hernando Miranda Owner, Soltierra LLC Apr 15 2013 Guest 5821 Thumbs Up

Marcus, there is a huge difference with confirming the installed products were per specifications because no substitutions were allowed. That is not difficult to check for.

It is an extreme effort to package parts of multiple A&E submittals to prove the products match the energy model. In most case the submittals do not provide the required information.

It seems you are supporting the reviewers new requirement to demand these types submittals. Are you prepared to actually provide what is required? If you are, then how do you justify the cost of LEED consulting doing that type of construction administration review?

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Marcus Sheffer LEED Fellow, 7group Apr 15 2013 LEEDuser Expert 35005 Thumbs Up

I did not even comment on the specific submittals issue as it relates to the LEED submission Hernando so please don't put words in my mouth. Submittals are generally not required but can be helpful in a review response.

We do not review the submittals as the energy modeling or LEED consultant. We ask for information from the project team near the completion of construction to enable us to do the final model based on the construction. Sometimes we get as-builts or approved submittals or other documentation. Sometimes we just go over the project's energy modeling inputs with the designers and ask if anything has changed. It is really not that complicated to get the information we need. It is all readily available on the projects we work on, might take a little digging but that has not proven to be a major problem for the teams we work with.

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