New LEED Guidance for Campuses and Multiple Buildings

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4/2/14 Update: LEED Campus Guidance For Projects on a Shared Site (formerly the Application Guide for Multiple Buildings and On-Campus Building Projects) has been updated to include guidance for LEED v4 Rating Systems and reflect changes in LEED Online. Two additional appendices have been added as quick look-up tables for determining campus and group eligibility for v4 credits. Finally, additional credit-specific guidance has been added for several BD&C and EB:O&M v2009 credits.

2/25/14 Update: The links below have been updated in line with USGBC's new website. Also, LEED Online for Campus projects is now simply part of the new LEED Online.

4/17/13 Update: USGBC has launched LEED Online for Campus projects to facilitate easier certification of multiple building and campus projects. Read more about it on USGBC's website.

10/31/11 Update: USGBC has released complete "Guidance for Multiple Buildings and On-Campus Projects," for LEED certification of multiple buildings on the same site. Officially called the 2010 Application Guide for Multiple Buildings and On-Campus Building Projects Release 2, or 2010 AGMBC v2. for short, the document provides complete campus guidance for LEED 2009 projects for the first time. Part 1 of the guide was released last year and ever since, LEED users have been awaiting Part 2, which was supposed to explain how to certify buildings as a group. This new release includes Part 1 and Part 2, folding it all into one document.

However, LEED Online v3 functionality to support group certification is not yet available. It is anticipated in the 1st Quarter of 2012. Until functionality is available, all projects must be registered individually.

Download the Guidance Document

Download Appendix A: AGMBC Applicability for Credits and Prerequisites in LEED 2009 Design and Construction Rating Systems

Download Appendix B: AGMBC Applicability for Credits and Prerequisites in the LEED 2009 Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance Rating System

Link to LEED Online Help for registering and submitting multiple building projects

 

Projects registered prior to 10/31/11 can elect to use v1, even though doing so is not encouraged: 2010 AGMBC Release. LEED v2 projects can still use the 2005 AGMBC guide 

What do you think of the new guidance? Is it useful? Comprehensible? What questions do you have?

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Subramaniam Chandrasekaran SSS Consultants
Apr 21 2016
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Group approach

Project Location: India

we are looking into one campus with four buildings plus a food court; intend to register under CS; there is one virtual boundary for the whole campus; all four buildings are coming up together; single developer owned; food court is not intended to be registered (approx 12% of the other four blocks on built up area); one common STP system; two common chiller plants connected together for the four buildings; if we do under group approach, how do we handle the registration and certification fees? is it considered as one single project; can we register and certify by paying for one fee as for one building? can someone help please; thanks

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Apr 21 2016 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

You will be charged registration fees for each building in the group, that are seeking certification. Once you start the process, the prompts will guide you through the various steps (and payments).

The same goes for the review fees.

Good luck!

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Subramaniam Chandrasekaran SSS Consultants Apr 28 2016 LEEDuser Member 17 Thumbs Up

Thank you;

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ABDELHAMID BESHARA MASADER
Feb 23 2016
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Campus for a gated residential/commercial compound versus ND

Project Location: Egypt

We have a gated Residential Compound consisting of around 60 buildings - 4 to 5 stories high - different models. The buildings are distributed on two main pieces of land of equal areas separated by a main road. the whole compound is owned and will be operated by one developer. 4 out of the 60 residential buildings have commercial stores on the first floor. There is also one social club building + one commercial and administrative building (area 70,000 sf and gross area is 200,000 sf) + one nursery. The total land area is 3,000,000 sf - the actual building area is 700,000 sf - The Gross building area is 2,800,000 sf.

We want to propose to the client the following approaches :
1- ND-plan with certification of the commercial and administrative building (the problem is NPDp3 - connectivity because of the gated aspect)
2- Certifying the whole lot using Campus approach and LEED BD+C Core and Shell.
3- Only certifying the club (NC) and the mall (core and shell)
Are these approaches technically applicable ? are we getting it right?

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Eric Anderson Apr 30 2016 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hello Abdelhamid, It is great to hear that you are considering so many options for how to use LEED to certify your project!

If the compound cannot comply with NPDp3, obviously & unfortunately, LEED-ND would not be an option. It is hard to say definitively without more detail, but it does sounds as though it may be difficult for this project, as you have briefly described it, to comply with that prerequisite.

Assuming the 4-5 story residential buildings are multifamily, they would be most suitable for the Multifamily Midrise adaptation of LEED for Homes (whether you are pursuing LEED v4 or the Midrise Pilot v2010). Residential buildings must be 9 stories tall or more to use LEED-NC (or CS) in LEED v4. However, according to the table on p. 10 of the LEED 2009 Rating System Selection Guidance (http://www.usgbc.org/sites/default/files/LEED-2009-Rating-System-Selecti...), multifamily midrise structures of at least 4 stories above grade would also be eligible to pursue a commercial LEED BD+C rating system in v3, such as LEED-NC 2009. In that case, the Campus (aka Master Site) Approach defined in the Campus Guidance (linked to at the top of this page) would certainly be a good way to coordinate the certifications of some or all of the buildings within the compound. In that case, you would evaluate each building individually as to whether it was more appropriate for LEED-NC or CS depending upon how much of the gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.) within the building would be 'completed' as part of this project's scope of work. As noted in LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. 10102, if any more than 40% of the building's total gross floor area will be not be completed as part of the project's scope of work, the project may only use LEED-CS. As long as all the fixed MEP system & equipment, and all essential floor, wall, & ceiling finishes are installed, the space should be considered 'complete' for BD+C rating system selection purposes. Remember, both NC & CS projects can share a single Master Site. Please also note that residential buildings under 9 stories tall cannot use LEED-NC or CS in LEED v4, and the deadline for LEED v3/2009 project registrations is October 31 of this year.

Bearing in mind the guidance above re:deciding between LEED-NC and CS, the third approach you mentioned also sounds feasible with or without the use of the Campus Approach.

I hope the information provided above is helpful, but feel free to use the Contact link on the USGBC or GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). websites for additional feedback, and best of luck with your project!

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Neha Singhal
Jan 14 2016
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Need Registration guidance for an upcoming Hospital campus

Project Location: India

We have a Medical institution coming up at Faridabad (India), which contains various types of building, where the construction would be carried out simultaneously for all the blocks. The site includes building such as Hospital, Institutional, convention center and R&D center. We want to register the project under LEED v3. But we want to know that, Should the whole project be registered as single LEED project or each building types have to be registered separately. What will be the correct approach.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jan 14 2016 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

I would recommend looking into a Campus Project, you register the Master Site for the total project and then you can register each Building Project separately when they are ready and you then take advantage of the Campus Master Site Credits. If you are to pursue V3 be careful as you would need to register all of the projects prior to the deadline. If you have a building project within your Campus and it registers beyond the V3 deadline you would need to register as a V4 project as well your Campus Master Site would need to be brought up to V4 standards to enable you to use the Campus Master Site Credits - otherwise you could register as a stand alone V4 project.

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Jon Clifford LEED-AP BD+C, GREENSQUARE Jan 15 2016 LEEDuser Expert 4125 Thumbs Up

Neha—Donald’s advice to use the Master Site approach makes great sense since your site includes different building types. This approach allows each building to use a different rating system. For example, you may use LEED-Healthcare for the Hospital and LEED-NC for the other buildings (and CS or CI, if appropriate, for others). The Master Site approach also allows each building individually to pursue different sets of credits and to achieve different certification levels.

If you chose instead to certify all the buildings on the Campus under one rating system, you would probably use the “Group” approach. This approach is permitted when the construction of all buildings on the campus occurs simultaneously, but all must use the same rating system, and all contribute to the same credit set. The Group approach could rule out using LEED-Healthcare for the hospital.

Since the Group approach wraps all the buildings into a single certification, it is probably most appropriate when the buildings are of similar types.

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Jon Clifford LEED-AP BD+C, GREENSQUARE Jan 17 2016 LEEDuser Expert 4125 Thumbs Up

Remember too that it is possible to combine the Master Site and the Group approaches. For example, the Master Site would include all the buildings. If the Healthcare portion includes an inpatient hospital and a separate outpatient clinic, those two buildings might qualify as a Group registered under LEED-Healthcare. The other buildings might qualify to register as a Group under LEED-NC. You might also choose to register one or more of the buildings individually.

Page 6 of the “LEED Campus Guidance for Projects on a Shared Site” shows a diagram of how this might work.

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Ali Scander ECC
Jan 14 2016
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Registered Campus Projects, Approaches, Credits

Hello,

I just started a campus project. There is only one project registered on LEED online as "xxxx Campus" . I don't know which approach was taken for the credits. Would there be multiple projects registered for a campus approach? Should there be a master site a long with individual projects registered on LEED online ?

Also, one of the attempted credits showing up on our LEED online campus project is MRc4:Recycled content. However, according to "LEED Campus Guidance" this credit can't be pursued as "campus credit" and that each LEED project referencing the Master Site may pursue the credit individually. How would one pursue this ? Would it be better to go with the group approach for the campus project if we are attempting this credit ?

Your advice is appreciated.

Thanks

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jan 14 2016 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

If it is registered as a Campus Project, there should be a Master Site project registered and then there may be multiple projects registered all of which are within the campus boundary established by the Master Site. You may want to download the Campus Guidance document and review it for more information if you haven't already.

With regard to the Recycled Content credit, you are correct in that this credit cannot be pursued as a Campus Master Site Credit. You cannot mix and match how you pursue the credits - if it is a Campus project and you register separate projects within your Master Site the Master Site Credits have to be pursued as noted in the Guidance document. You can however pursue Recycled Content and other credits as a Group Project (2 or more similar buildings) if you register the projects as a Group to begin with. You can also have a Group Project within a Master Site. Again see the Campus Guidance document for the various scenarios possible. Long story short the Recycled Credit may be been checked as a Master Site credit in error.

To pursue Recycled Content if you have multiple projects under the same contract, the contractor will need to separate the cost by project for the documentation.

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Ali Scander ECC Jan 15 2016 LEEDuser Member 37 Thumbs Up

Hello,
Thank you for your previous response. I'm trying to make an indication on whether our project was registered correctly. The title indicates that it's a campus on LEED online, however the project details/project type indicates that it's an ''individual project''. Also, the same project has other two separate registrations for it's buildings in addition to the one titled as campus. None of them say Master Site. They are all individual projects. I'm not sure whether this method is correct.

Thanks,

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Eric Anderson Feb 06 2016 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hi Ali, The title of the project does not necessarily indicate whether it is properly registered to utilize the 'campus approach'. You should look at the 'Project Type' field on the 'Details' tab of the project in LEED Online to figure this out. Yours sounds like it has not been registered correctly to use the campus approach because you mention that each of the three projects are listed as an "Individual Project."

If you are still having trouble verifying whether or not your project is registered correctly or would like help re-registering it properly please reach out to us through the Contact page of the USGBC website (http://www.usgbc.org/contactus).

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Gabriel Frasson Project Manager OTEC
Nov 26 2015
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Exempt area of 10% in a Group Project

Project Location: Brazil

We have a site that contains two buildings that are being certificate as a campus project.
In the ground floor of Tower A there are some stores that we want to exempt of the certification project (maximum of 10%).
Making some calculations, this area represent 10,36% of the total gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.) of Tower A and 5,06% of total gross floor area of (Tower A + Tower B).
My question is: for a group project, is the maximum of 10% considering total gross floor area of all buildings or for each one of them?

Thank you.

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Eric Anderson Jan 21 2016 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hi Gabriel,

This question is not explicitly addressed in public-facing LEED Campus Guidance, but like most prerequisites, it would probably be most reasonable to assume that this exception should be met on an individual building basis. Therefore, we would recommend that you use the most restrictive interpretation, which would be that the 10% max excluded tenant area be evaluated relative to the GFA of each, individual building. If you would like to discuss the matter further please feel free to submit a more detailed explanation of the scenario via the Contact page of the USGBC.org website (http://www.usgbc.org/contactus).

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Nicolas Pare Senior Architect Aedas Middle East
Aug 31 2015
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Under the same Construction Contract

We registered our school project (2 Buildings) as a Group Project under the LEED for School v2009 rating system.

The owner & operator are now talking about splitting the project into 2 phases
Phase 1 - Complete construction of the first building + half of the second building
Phase 2 - Construction of the remaining half of the second building

Phase 2 would be completed +/-2years after the Phase 1 completion (will make the LEED Certification a bit more complicated/longer... but still achievable).

My problem is that they recently came back to us stating the phases would be under 2 distinct construction contracts (which is completely against our recommendation). The owners is a semi-governmental authority and is only allowed to award construction contract up to a maximum price (and the 2 phases exceed that maximum). However, there is a great chance that they would awarded to the same contractor.

I found in the Group Project certification documentation that ''for design and construction projects, the buildings or spaces must be under the same construction contract''.

It looks pretty clear to me that going for a phasing group project with multiple construction contract would disqualify us from the LEED Certification... but I can't find any additional documentation to back this requirement in front of my client.

Also, what would be the situation if the project was a single building certification (not in a group project) to be constructed in 2 phases under 2 different construction contract? I could not find any mention of the ''must be under the same construction contract'' for the single project certification. Reading between the lines, my understanding is that a single building must be constructed under the same construction contract to be eligible for LEED Certification.

I am pretty sure I need the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). clarification on that, but your feedback would be much appreciated.

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Jon Clifford LEED-AP BD+C, GREENSQUARE Nov 27 2015 LEEDuser Expert 4125 Thumbs Up

Nicolas—LEED Campus Guidance for Projects on a Shared Site requires all buildings in a Group to be “under the same construction contract,” but you may have some leeway. Here in the US, it is rare for a large, phased project to fall into a single contract. For example, my last big project had 6 buildings and dozens of construction contracts, but a single Construction Management (CM) company administered all the contracts on behalf of the Project Owner. This is a standard practice. I believe that, if you inquire, USGBC will accept this (or a similar approach) to allow your project to treat multiple contracts as one.

The Campus Guidance also requires all buildings in a Group to be “constructed at the same time.” This should not be much of an issue as long as Phase 2 starts construction soon after Phase 1 completion. However, the more time passes, the more difficult it could become to justify the phases as a single Group.

To your question concerning a phased single-building certification: The “Reasonable LEED Boundary” MRP allows buildings with “no physical connection” to qualify as one only under specific circumstances. Contact USGBC to see if your situation meets one of these exceptions.

Good luck. Phased construction introduces many new challenges. Let us know how your inquiries turn out.

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
Jul 10 2015
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Documenting Master Site Credits

I got this below from the LEED Help Center, which I find really confusing, and does not accord with the current LEED Online for Campus/Master Site format. Does anyone have any insight?

How do I transfer completed form information from the Master Site to the campus project credit without having to re-input and re-upload information?

Answer

There’s no need to transfer documentation in the campus project’s scorecard. On the campus project’s scorecard, select the master site you wish to reference via the drop down menu to the right of the credit name. By default, this drop down will say “project credit,” indicating that the credit is being attempted within the campus project and is not referencing a pre-approved Master Site credit. Selecting a Master Site ID in this drop down indicates to the reviewer that you are pulling that master site credit, instead of documenting it for the campus project.

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Eric Anderson Jul 16 2015 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hello Deborah, The answer you received is correct, as long as you are talking about a project that was set-up using the 'campus' functionality in New LEED Online.

Please note that the actual form data used to document campus credit compliance in the Master Site is never actually entered into the corresponding credit form in the individual campus project. Instead the campus credit documentation & form data is retained in the master site only, and it is simply cross-referenced in the 'child'/campus project/s. You do still have to attempt & submit the credit for review in each campus project, but all the documentation remains in the Master Site where, presumably, it was already reviewed & approved.

If your project was registered earlier using the 'block' functionality in LEED Online v3, the approach is a little different. There would be no drop-down menu on the Scorecard (aka Credits page/tab), but you would still need to attempt the credit in the individual campus project, and you would just check the Special circumstances check-box on the credit form and include a note in the narrative section there indicating that the project is claiming this campus credit from the related Master Site. When doing so, be sure to include the name & ID number of that master site, which, I should note, must also be registered within the same 'Block' as the campus projects it supports. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us via the USGBC website.

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Jul 17 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

Eric,
thanks for your response. I think we are clear on the old "block" approach. it is the New LEED Online that mystifies me:
With the New LEED Online, the campus credits webpage includes the same credits for each of the projects. e.g., SSc5.1 Project A; SSc5.1 Project B, SSc5.2 Project C, and so on. Do I then duplicate (or triplicate, etc.) the campus information for each individual project? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of a campus approach?
I had called up the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). help line with this question, and was advised to complete the campus credits on the project level...
So, am still confused.

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Jul 20 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

All,
Here's the answer to my query above -
select either, or the more restrictive option. This is because the credit might read differently for the different rating systems (NC, CS, CI, etc).
THEN when in the individual project page, hover over the credit, and the option of "project credit" or "master site credit" will appear; select the "master site credit" option.
Also, regarding the PIfs for Campus projects, don't overthink (like I did) the Project level PIfs. They do not link up to the credit forms in the way that they do for non-campus projects. Simply input the campus site information (not project site info) for site credits such as SSc5, WEc1.

Thanks USGBC for reaching out and providing the clarification!

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Edwin van Eeckhoven CEO C2N
Jun 30 2015
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v4 Project on 2009 Campus

Dear all,

I am working on a LEED CS 2009 project on a 2009 Master site. Our ambition is that the next up coming project is to be a v4 project. Now the question is: can a v4 project be certified on a 2009 master site? Or do we have to "re-do" the master site which at this stage is not the preferred option, as the 2009 project is not certified yet.

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Eric Anderson Jul 16 2015 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hi Edwin, Unfortunately, since many of the v4 credits differ from the v3 credits that would be found in the score card of your presently-registered Master Site, the only way to use the campus approach for LEED v4 projects on the same site would be to register a new v4 Master Site to accommodate them. Presently, you cannot add v4 credits to a v3 Master Site's scorecard or vice versa. Please note that the existing v3 master site would still be useful for your presently-registered CS v3 project and any other v3 projects you might be planning to build within that LEED campus boundary. Furthermore, use of the campus (aka master site) approach is optional; so, you could just elect to certify the v4 project on the merits of its own LEED project boundary and forgo the use of the campus approach with that project.

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
Jun 04 2015
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LEED Online v4 for Multiple Buildings on a Campus

Project Location: United States

LEED Online v4 was a surprise in more ways than one.
The individual projects are now certified under the Master Site, which is certified under the Campus (the old "block").
All well and good. (No really, this is a great refinement.)
I am now confused that project credits (as opposed to Master Site credits) appear on the Master Site page, as well as on the individual project page.
In some cases it would be more efficient to document everything on the Master Site page. Is this acceptable? Has anyone any insight about this?

thanks!

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Jul 10 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

Does anyone have any information or experience with this? Help!

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Joanna Switzer Jul 11 2015 Guest 716 Thumbs Up

Hi Deborah,

I'm hoping someone with GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). can chime in to validate this- I haven't applied this to a v4 project yet but I BELIEVE the guidance posted under the old v3 LEED Online site is still applicable although the latest guideline published is silent on these specifics. Refer to this doc: http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs8093.pdf

Although there is some redundant data entry, you SHOULD be able to simply refer to the Campus project for the applicable pre-reqs/credits pursued by an individual project. Also note total campus data may be larger than sum of your individual LEED projects (occupancy/gsf) if it encompasses bldgs not pursuing certification as part of this immediate effort.

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Jul 14 2015 Guest 1784 Thumbs Up

We have documented LEED 2009 project in the new system.For campus credits documentation was uploaded to the Mastersite, and in the individual proejcts you can choose whether the project is targetting it on its own, or through the mastersite. On the credit forms for the individual credits we checked the box for special circumstances and included a reference to the Mastersite project registration.

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Jul 15 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

Adrienn,
thanks! Good to know. I was reluctant to start doing a lot of work just to find out it was wrong/redundant.

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Eric Anderson Jul 20 2015 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hi Joanna, Adrienn, and Deborah, To clarify, I believe Deborah was referring to LEED v3/2009 projects using the latest version of LEED Online when she mentioned "LEED Online v4". LEED v4 is a version of the LEED rating systems, not a version of LEED Online. The latest update to LEED Online is simply referred to as 'new LEED Online' rather than 'LEED Online v4'.

Nevertheless, LEED v4 campus projects using new LEED Online would work basically the same way as more recently-registered LEED v3/2009 campus projects in terms of how they reference (or claim) campus credits from an associated Master Site. For such projects, team members can claim a campus credit directly from the scorecard on the Credits tab/page of each campus project, rather than having to enter anything into the Special Circumstances section of the individual credit forms (though doing so will not cause a problem).

Older projects utilizing Master Sites set-up in LEED Online v3 before the 'campus' functionality was released had to use the 'block' functionality to take advantage of the campus (aka master site) approach. Projects using the 'block' functionality should still follow the instructions provided in the older LOv3 Help content linked to above (http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs8093.pdf) when referencing (i.e. claiming) campus credits--which does entail adding a note in the Special Circumstances portion of the pertinent credit form.

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
May 27 2015
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Campus Registration instead of Block?

Project Location: United States

Hello all.
I notice on LEED Online that there is now an option to register a new project under "Campus" but not under "Block", which USED to be the way to start the registration process for multiple buildings.
Are we to assume that "Campus" is the new "Block"?

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Eric Anderson May 27 2015 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hi Deborah, Yes, essentially, the 'Campus' in new LEED Online serves the function that a 'Block' served in LEED Online v3 for the purposes of applying the campus approach. Please see this Help content/FAQ for additional information on how to get Campuses, Master Sites, & Campus Projects set-up in new LEED Online:

http://www.usgbc.org/help/leed-online-v3-i-organized-my-campus-projects-...

http://www.usgbc.org/help/how-do-i-set-campus

http://www.usgbc.org/help/how-do-i-register-new-campus-projects

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Nate Steeber Project Manager, Sustainability Sol design + consulting
May 19 2015
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Hi all, I asked this earlier, and I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but my team is pretty confused about the situation. Any advice that anyone has would be greatly appreciated.

We have a shopping center interested in certification with 10 buildings. Only 3 buildings will have restroom facilities for the retail customers that is meant to serve the entire project (and is approved as meeting code as such). We are not sure how to do the WEp1 calculation.

Our original thought is to do a water calculation according to the water use of the retail customers in each building even if the building does not have the restroom facilities. For example, Building A does not have restrooms, but we will still include a water reduction calculation base on the 114 transients using the restroom facilities in Building B. And Building B will only count the water usage of its transients and not the transients of any other building.

Is this an acceptable approach?
Thanks in advance.

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Michael Smithing Director - Green Building Advisory, Colliers International May 20 2015 LEEDuser Member 3526 Thumbs Up

There is no MPR which requires toilets to be installed in a building, thus if no fixtures are installed you will not have compliance issues with WEp1. From your question, it is not clear whether the buildings actually have toilets installed for the use of FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories. (but not customers).

LEED should (although some review teams may feel differently) want you to model use as close as possible to the actual use. This means that you would have a transient fixture group with the public toilet facilities in each building, and the number of users for the group would be the total expected users, which may or may not be the sum of retail customers at Building A and Building B. A shopping center with multiple buildings will likely have many customers visiting multiple buildings and the restrooms may actually be an "anchor" use for the project.

To be on the safe side, I would look at the impact of having transients use the FTE facilities - I'd want to make sure I met the WEp1 requirements either way to avoid surprises later.

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Nate Steeber Project Manager, Sustainability, Sol design + consulting May 27 2015 Guest 222 Thumbs Up

Michael,

Thank you! The information is extremely helpful. The tenant spaceTenant space is the area within the LEED project boundary. For more information on what can and must be in the LEED project boundary see the Minimum Program Requirements (MPRs) and LEED 2009 MPR Supplemental Guidance. Note: tenant space is the same as project space. will have restrooms, but it is only accessible to the FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories., not to the transient visitors. Thus, we thought it was unrealistic to assume they would use those fixtures.

From your example, it sounds like you're saying Building A would meet the prerequisite, which I remember reading about in the Water Calculation Supplemental Information, but that it would not have the option of receiving points. Currently, we were calculating water use for that building based on the transients even though they are using a different buildings fixtures - it seems like you are saying this may not be kosher with USGBC and all use should be in building B. Am I understanding your interpretation correctly?

When you speak of an "anchor" do you mean that just that one building can claim the credit while others cannot? I do not quite understand.

Again, thank you for the information - this is quite helpful.

- Nate.

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Eric Anderson May 27 2015 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

In general, only the fixtures within the certifying building should be the basis for that building's WE calculations. Therefore, in the situation you described, Building A would not have any shoppers (i.e. Transients) in its WE calcs because there are no fixtures installed or anticipated for shoppers to use in that building, but the WE calcs for Building B would have to account for shoppers that might be coming from Building A to use the restrooms in Building B since fixtures will be provided there for shopper use.

However, there are additional considerations to address if the project is pursuing LEED-CS (such as whether/how to address anticipated, future fixtures in WE calcs), or the 'group approach' (such as the difference between calcs for the prerequisite and the credit), and so on. Therefore, if you have not already done so, I'd recommend you submit more detail about your project(s) via the Contact page of USGBC.org to request more specific feedback on this issue. Best of luck with your certification!

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
May 18 2015
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2009 BD+C and 2009 CS on Campus site- SSc4.2

Project Location: United States

SSc4.2 is listed as a "Campus" credit. However, we have one project that is pursuing Major Renovation, and another pursuing Core & Shell certification. SSc4.2 has (1) point under Major Renovation, and (2) points under Core & Shell.
To make matters more interesting, the shower facilities will probably be in the Major Renovation project, which is so large that we probably will not be able to provide all the necessary bicycle spaces to achieve the credit...
Has anyone any experience with how we could resolve this - pursue this not as a campus credit, but for the Core & Shell only?
Thanks!

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 15 2016 LEEDuser Moderator

Sounds like it.

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
May 06 2015
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What are the criteria for Group Certification

Hello,
I refer to Donald Green's comment from April 9 2014, "GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). really wants all buildings in a Group Certification to be very similar, that way the Group Credits can be documented easily. Otherwise you may have issue when trying to document if the buildings are too different. Sounds like a Campus approach with a Master Site may be the best way to go for this project......

Review the new AGMBC issued on 4/1/14."

This makes sense to me.

Until I read page 10 of the April 2014 LEED Campus Guidance - "For O&M projects, all buildings....in the group must share the same space type (or must be eligible to be rated as the same space type in the ENERGY STAR Portfolio Manager)." This implies the "similarity" criteria applies only to LEED EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating systems., no?

Further down on page 10 of the Campus Guidance "For credits that must be documented on an individual building or space basis, points are awarded to the group based on the lowest performing building except where noted in the credit specific information in the appendices."

Does this mean that if one building in a Group achieves 12% of energy savings, while another achieves 40%, that the Group as a whole achieves only 12% energy savings?

I have been trying to get clarification on this one issue for the past year - on this forum, from USGBC....to no avail.

Does ANYBODY know?

Thanks in advance!

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Eric Anderson May 07 2015 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hello Deborah, Yes, you are correct, that the 'similarity' criterion applies only to O+M projects using the group approach. As noted in the last bullet point on page 10 of the latest Campus Guidance document (released in April of 2014), however, "Each building or space in the group project must independently qualify for the chosen LEED rating system." Thus, even for the BD+C rating systems, if one building qualifies only for NC and the other only for SCH (LEED for Schools), they cannot be included in the same group project.

As to your question about energy savings, you should refer to the appendices for guidance on calculations for particular prerequisites and credits. For instance, for LEED v3/2009 BD+C projects (e.g. LEED-NC) pursuing the group approach, Appendix A of the Campus Guidance indicates that each building in the group will have to individually demonstrate compliance with EAp2--in other words, each new construction building has to demonstrate at least a 10% savings over the energy cost of the baseline. However, the number of points earned in EAc1 for a group project is based upon aggregate performance, not the lowest performing building. As noted in the group certification guidance for EAc1: "The number of points earned shall be based on the ASHRAE 90.1 Appendix G performance improvement calculated based on the sum total Baseline and Proposed Case energy cost for all buildings or spaces within the LEED project boundary, including all site lighting and parking structures within the LEED project boundary."

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects May 14 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

Thanks Eric,
I believe you did advise that earlier, but I 've had contradictory information, and want to be absolutely sure.
Thanks again!

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Nate Steeber Project Manager, Sustainability Sol design + consulting
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WEp1 for Shopping Center

Project Location: United States

Hello all,

We have a shopping center interested in certification with 10 buildings. Only 3 buildings will have restroom facilities for the retail customers that is meant to serve the entire project (and is approved as meeting code as such). We are not sure how to do the WEp1 calculation.

Our original thought is to do a water calculation according to the water use of the retail customers in each building even if the building does not have the restroom facilities. For example, Building A does not have restrooms, but we will still include a water reduction calculation base on the 114 transients using the restroom facilities in Building B. And Building B will only count the water usage of its transients and not the transients of any other building.

Is this an acceptable approach?

Thanks in advance.

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 15 2016 LEEDuser Moderator

Hi Nate, I'd suggest posting this question under our WEp1 forum. Thanks!

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Ghaith Moufarege
Mar 31 2015
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School project - Group certification

Project Location: Lebanon

Hello,
we are working on a new K12 school project with 4 separate buildings (2 bldgs for classrooms, 1 administration and 1 sports center). Can we apply for 1 single group certification (LEED for Schools) or this is not possible because the buildings are not similar? we would prefer avoiding registering 3 separate project within a campus, as this complicate the documentation and increase certification fees.
Thank you,

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Mar 31 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. #10203 does allow that, with stipulations. Check it out here http://www.usgbc.org/leed-interpretations?keys=10203.

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Ghaith Moufarege Apr 01 2015 LEEDuser Member 9489 Thumbs Up

Thank you Deborah, so my understanding is that we are even allowed to register one single project, and not use the AGMBC at all (no group certification). Is that correct?
Thank you

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Apr 01 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

Ghaith,
That's what it sounds like. To be absolutely certain, email USGBC with this question. I'm never exactly sure which is the correct email contact for particular issues, especially if you have not already registered the project, but emails do eventually get through to the right person, and USGBC's response time has vastly improved of late.
Good luck!

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Nate Steeber Project Manager, Sustainability Sol design + consulting
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C&S Individual Project within a Campus Registration

Project Location: United States

This may be a very simple question, and perhaps our team is looking into this too deeply:

We have a campus which we intend to use a Master Site with individual registrations (i.e. not a group). If we want to pursue a credit on just one building, is that allowed? For example, we want one building and only the area of that building to get the Green Power and Renewable Energy Credit, but only that building. It may put it into a different certification tier. Does this pose any problems if we still use the Master Site to claim points for other credits?

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Mar 27 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

The LEED Campus Guidance shows that this credit (EAc6) should be documented as part of the individual project anyway, so you should be able to pursue it only for that building. Individual projects on a campus are not jointly tied to a single certification level.

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Nate Steeber Project Manager, Sustainability, Sol design + consulting Mar 27 2015 Guest 222 Thumbs Up

So, the one building can go for green power and only buy 35% of that buildings power usage, and the other buildings do not have to go for it. Is that correct?

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Mar 27 2015 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

That's my understanding. That one building (and not the others) will have to meet all the requirements of EAc6.

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Vincent Dupuy Eng., PA LEED BD+C Cofely Services - GDF Suez
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VERTICALLY ATTACHED BUILDINGS

Hello,

I work on a building which contains 2 sections and only one of them would like to go with LEED EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating systems.. The first section (which wants leed certification) is principally offices. The other is an hotel, is located on the top of the entire building, and is owned by a third party.
Nevertheless, there are mechanical areas in the 2 sections but both of them serve the 2 sections of the entire building.
The 2 sections are seperatly metered.
My question is about the area calculations. How should I calculate the mechanical areas? Should I use an area ration of these ones equal to the total energy consuption ratio?

Thanks for your help and for any advice about hese kind of attached buildings.

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Mar 04 2015 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Vincent. This is almost a direct replica of 345 California Street, San Francisco that was used to create the USGBC rules for 'vertically attached buildings'. Long before you get to space allocations it should be pointed out that the buildings should be clearly 'separate'. That means, separate meters for everything, (electric, gas, water, steam, etc). Separate operations teams, separate owners (which you mention), separate HVAC, clearly defined entrances (not necessarily separate front doors, but that helps).
Items that CAN be shared are:, fire suppression systems, Fire alarming, Fire escapes (stairwells).
In theory the square footage of the mechanical spaces 'could' be left out under the 10% rule depending where you need to allot that 10% (there may be retail or others that you might choose).
Hope that all helps

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Vincent Dupuy Eng., PA LEED BD+C, Cofely Services - GDF Suez Mar 04 2015 Guest 53 Thumbs Up

Thanks a lot M.Barry. You talk about separate Hvac: in the case of my building, the whole entire building is supplied by a steam district heating and the hotel consumption is submetered. Is it ok?

Thanks

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Mar 04 2015 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Yes, that's ok. (All you really have to do is clearly define what steam goes to the hotel and what goes to the office) Get the meters read at least weekly (daily might be better) so you have a clear record of what went where.

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Vincent Dupuy Eng., PA LEED BD+C, Cofely Services - GDF Suez Apr 16 2015 Guest 53 Thumbs Up

I have another question for vertically attached building. The building which would like to get certified is located below the set of 2 buildings and an hotel is located just above it. At the top oh the hotel, there is a roof with plantations. This roof and the plantations are managed by the first building which is trying to get certified. Is it possible to include the roof in the perimeter of the certification, although hotel is excluded of certification ??

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Art Kamm Kamm Consulting, Inc.
Feb 17 2015
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dealership building and a detached carwash

Project Location: United States

The project in question consists of a dealership bldg, a detached carwash, and a fuel storage & generator building (3 separate buildings); do they qualify as multiple buildings or a single building for certification purposes?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 15 2016 LEEDuser Moderator

Art, this sounds like a LEED boundary question. Can you post to our MPR3 forum? Thanks!

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Richard Barlow Dir. of Sustainability MHAworks
Dec 15 2014
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"Single Site" requirement for a Master Site?

Project Location: United States

We are working on a 30+ acre medical campus for a single developer. There will be a total of 9 buildings in this development, and all buildings will pursue LEED certification. I am trying to determine if this site would qualify for the LEED Campus Guidance and in particular a Master Site? The Guidance states "All buildings or spaces are located on a single site, as defined in the LEED Minimum Program Requirements for the applicable rating system." I'm trying to determine the meaning of the "single site" since each building will be on difference parcels each leased to different entities and not one contiguous site. This may be an exercise in terminology, but I wanted to be sure I am interpreting this correctly.

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Susan Walter Specifications Director, Populous Dec 15 2014 LEEDuser Expert 19687 Thumbs Up

My understanding of Master Site, and it may be flawed, is that all buildings on the campus certify under the same LEED program. You mentioned this is a medical campus. If there is any inpatient program in the project? If yes, the project needs to follow LEED HC which has additional pre-requisites than NC. Under the Campus Guide, all buildings have to meet all pre-requisites. You have a similar problem with the Group Approach. It is going to depend on your program and the similarity or dissimilarity across all the buildings. If you have a blend of inpatient and outpatient functions, I would recommend a call to the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC)..

Another thing to consider is length of time, our healthcare projects span years and years. We were just discussing that when a certain project started, the co-worker did not have any children. Now he has one in kindergarten and a two year old. The project in question is only half way done and the first portion is less than 8,000 s.f. Another co-worker's son will be 10 when her project is completed. It was underway when she started and he was a year old. Taking a considered look at the sunset dates for LEED is a very serious recommendation when working on large healthcare projects and with healthcare master plans.

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Richard Barlow Dir. of Sustainability, MHAworks Dec 16 2014 LEEDuser Member 57 Thumbs Up

Thank you, Susan! I found that up to three different LEED rating systems are permitted under one Master Site, but due to the project types, they will most likely be LEED HC. We're looking at a 5-6 year window for this particular developement, but I'm aware we may be "upgrading" to v4 in the middle of it all, and of course, projects change direction all the time.

My other concern is that the Master Site documentation is really wanting all properties to be at a schematic design level with footprints, GSF, and FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories. calculated for each. I don't see how this will be possible since these buildings have not yet been realized. I'm wondering if this is the right path for this development since just a general masterplan with blocks and "potential" uses does not seem to be enough information to submit a Master Site for review.

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Jon Clifford LEED-AP BD+C, GREENSQUARE Dec 21 2014 LEEDuser Expert 4125 Thumbs Up

Richard—I’ve not used the “Master Site” approach outlined in the latest (April 2014) “LEED Campus Guidance for Projects on a Shared Site,” and I am more familiar with the “Group” approach. However, I have some observations:
1. Page 8 of the Guidance allows teams to wait to make their Master Site submittal along with the submittal for their first building. If you choose this option, by then, your schematics for the later phases may be better defined.
2. Page 7 offers some flexibility if campus and individual boundaries cannot be identified in the schematic site plan.
3. Page 9 says that it is possible (with additional expense) to revise the Master Site after the initial review.
4. The graphic on Page 5 show two Master Site registered under the same Campus. I would ask GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). whether you could register your early phases under one Master Site and later phases separately.
5. That same graphic shows a Group Project registered under the first Master Site. If your campus includes a core cluster of buildings that will be constructed concurrently, it might be advantageous to document these buildings together under a single Group registration, separate from the rest.

Finally, to address a concern raised in your original post, the MPR Supplemental Guidance document (http://www.usgbc.org/resources/leed-2009-mpr-supplemental-guidance-revis...) clarifies when non-contiguous parcels may qualify as a “single site.” It also clarifies the other MPRs. These points may help you evaluate the best ways to delineate your Campus, Group, & individual project boundaries.

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Richard Barlow Dir. of Sustainability, MHAworks Dec 22 2014 LEEDuser Member 57 Thumbs Up

Thanks, Jon! We've decided to tackle the site with two master sites. One that will cover what we know now, and one to cover the remainder of the buildings once they get more defined. Thanks everyone for your input!

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Mónika Egyed
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SSp1 in case of campus projects

Our project is a newly built industrial development where the majority of buildings will be industrial and not certified, but there will be office and administration buildings as well, from which at least two will aim LEED certification. We are considering campus registration. The two project sites probably will not be contiguous, the master site is planned to include all area developed by this project and falls under the same ownership.
There is no campus credit option in case of SSp1, however my question is if it was enough to develop one ESCAn Erosion and Sedimentation Control (ESC) plan is a collection of measures designed to reduce pollution from construction activities by controlling soil erosion, waterway sedimentation and airborne dust generation plan for the area of the master site, considering that the major site works will be done to the site as a whole. There is not a real chance to handle the little office buildings’ area separately. How do you suggest to develop the ESC plan in this case? Is it eligible to develop a plan for the full site that falls under the same ownership and development? Thank you in advance!

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jan 15 2016 LEEDuser Moderator

LEED gives you a lot of latitude in developing an ESCAn Erosion and Sedimentation Control (ESC) plan is a collection of measures designed to reduce pollution from construction activities by controlling soil erosion, waterway sedimentation and airborne dust generation plan that's appropriate for the site. I would make the ESC plan appropriate at both scales and then submit it as documentation for the individual projects.

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FRAGISKOS LEVANTIS LEED AP BD+C SUSTAIN O.E.
Aug 19 2014
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Campus-Same master site- LEED NC v4 and LEED EBOM 2009

In a commercial campus 3 individual projects are pursuing certification under LEED EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating systems. 2009. In rwo years time a new building will be constructed on the same master site, and will be registered under LEED NC v4.The master site will be re-registered (must be according to the LEED Campus Guidance 4-1-2014). Will the certification of the 3 individual buildings be affected then? (because by that time they will be certified under LEED 2009) ?

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Aug 19 2014 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Fragiskos, it wont effect the three building certified but it will when you go to re-certify. My suggestion is that you rebuild the master site as you note, build the building under NC then a year later re-certify all FOUR buildings in LEED EB using the updated master site.

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Tamara Quiroz Architect Efizity
Aug 14 2014
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Industrial Condominium Certification

A real state firm ask us for a valid certification for a Industrial Condominium project of 400 hectares approx. that will be located in a suburban area, disconnected of existing public transportation or services. This area is far away from existing urbanized area. Then, the real state firm plans to sale sites for industrial buildings that could be LEED certified on future, however the firm is interested in a certification for the master plan.
Which suppose to be the adequate certification for this project? Does LEED have an option? If not, anybody knows about a sustainable certification for this kind of project?

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Jeff Ross-Bain, PE, LEED Fellow Principal Ross-Bain Green Building
Aug 08 2014
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Do three multifamily buildings qualify as multiple buildings?

We have a project with three multifamily apartment buildings and each qualifies under the new-ish LEED for Homes Multifamily 2010 rating system. However, under the AGMBC, LEED for Homes Multifamily 2010 is not referenced as an qualifying rating system. Is this an oversight or do we have to do three individual certifications?
Thanks!

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Eric Anderson Aug 08 2014 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

The AGMBC (now simply referred to as the 'Campus Guidance') is NOT applicable to any of the LEED for Homes adaptations (e.g. Lowrise or Midrise multifamily). However, if you contact a LEED for Homes Provider or Rater (which can be found through the usgbc.org website) they should be able to help you best investigate & coordinate the certification of these three buildings as a single project. Best of luck to you!

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Celia Heneghan Sustainability Specialist Lincoln Harris
Jul 10 2014
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Shared parking deck

We have a campus being constructed with 5 expected buildings and 1 parking deck to serve all. All buildings and deck will be individually metered. We are planning a campus approach. We are trying to determine how to account for the parking deck energy usage? Currently 3 buildings and the deck are being constructed. The other two will be constructed at a later date.
To account for the parking deck energy in the EA modeling credits we are planning to pro-rate deck energy usage by sq ft and assign that to each building. Is this the best way to calculate? For example: 1 building accounts for 46% of total campus sq ft and we will add 46% of the parking deck energy usage to this building's energy model.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jul 10 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

The latest LEED Campus Guidance document dated 4/1/14 provides 3 ways to pro-rate the site energy for a Campus Project. You can investigate and see which one works best for your projects. The method you describe is one of the 3 options.

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SW LEE Project Manager
Jul 01 2014
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3 Residential Tower + 1 Commercial Shop lot

Hi,

Im confuse, on which path i should choose to register my project and it's fee.

Scenario :
the project has a huge parcel of land, and consist few building.

We have 3 identical residential tower sit on a shared parking bayA bay is a component of a standard, rectilinear building design. It is the open area defined by a building element such as columns or a window. Typically, there are multiple identical bays in succession. (above grade - 4 storey) and facing a 4 storey commercial shop lot. All these building owned by a same owner and construct at the same time.

i read through the "LEED CAMPUS Guidance - Updated April 1, 2014" and felt that i can register as "Group" under LEED CS.

My inquiry is

1. Are we eligible to register under "Group"?
2.The registration fee and review cost is base on the number of building we have in the "Group" ?
3. can we category the residential building (3 identical residential tower building) as 1 building for review submission ?

Please help.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jul 01 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

SW -
I would think that you would register your projects as LEED for New Construction not Core and Shell since your buildings are residential. In answer to your questions as follows:
1. Yes, you are eligible for Group as all 3 buildings seem to be very similar.
2. Yes, 1 registration for each building and then you pay the review fees for each building separately - no discounts.
3. No, even though the building share a common parking deck the parking deck is not an enclosed space and therefore not considered a building connection. I would however take advantage of the common deck for your site credits.
Your efficiency will come in the documentation of the Group Credits. Keep in mind you only get 1 certification for all 3 buildings with Group.

You may want to look at using Campus as there may be enough savings considering the size of the buildings to make it worth it and offset the cost of the Master Site and have additional savings. You get the 20% discount on the building review fees only. You also get 1 certification for each building - so 3 certifications total. You do not receive a certification for the Master Site.

Good luck,

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SW LEE Project Manager Jul 08 2014 LEEDuser Member 557 Thumbs Up

Thanks Donald.

The reason we choose LEED CS, because each units in the building are meant to sale off. The building owner will not occupy any of this unit, and new tenant will do the fit out by themselves. That;s why we thought the best is LEED CS, am i correct?

Donald mentioned about using Campus. How can i register this project under campus?
Can you share me the link to LEED Campus?

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manuel de jesus gonzalez duron civil engineer SYASA
Jun 10 2014
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certification of a building inside of the leed campus

can one of the two buildings on a leed campus have the leed certification before the other one?

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jun 10 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

Yes, that is an advantage of the Campus approach.

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Donald Green Operations Manager ai Design Group
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Master Site and Campus Credits - LEED Boundary for Projects

The following was a post by K Kraft on Jan 2, 2014 that did not receive a response - I would like to ask the same question as well as an additional question as follows:

Where does "normal support" begin and end, on a campus most everything is shared between multiple buildings. I ask specifically with regard to site lighting - if you have a Master Site, the individual LEED project boundaries could be pulled back to eliminate the need to include all of the shared site lighting and therefore benefit those individual projects. Where then is that site lighting energy picked up?

From K Kraft - "Hello. I have a follow-up question to Deborah's: Is it possible that an individual LEED project boundary associated with a Master Site is simply the building footprintBuilding footprint is the area on a project site used by the building structure, defined by the perimeter of the building plan. Parking lots, parking garages, landscapes, and other nonbuilding facilities are not included in the building footprint.? Also, since the parking spaces are allocated in the Master Site application, is it feasible that the number of parking spaces provided for building users be 0 on the individual project PI form? Or does this contradict the language in the 2010 AMGBC document (p.8) that states “LEED project boundary must include all land that is associated with and supports normal project operations...” Are parking spaces for employees of an office building considered to support normal project operations? Thank you for any guidance."

Thanks for a response to both questions.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jun 10 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

I have continued to look into this issue, the 4/1/14 Campus Guidance notes that you can prorate the site energy uses into the respective energy models. However if you have an existing Master Site and add a project does that mean you have to go back and adjust the energy models for all of the other LEED projects? - at the Owner's expense? I haven't found any document that provides clear language on this issue.

As well if you have an existing building with a Master Site and renovate it, there would be no reason to include site Lighting if you have no site work. The same could be said for new construction, only use the limits of disturbance and minimize any site energy use. So where does the site energy get picked up?

This seems like a gray area - any thoughts?

Thank you,

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jun 19 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

Can anyone help on these issues, we need to resolve this to allow the projects to move forward.

Thank you,

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ADRIENN GELESZ LEED AP, ABUD Engineering Ltd. Jun 19 2014 Guest 1784 Thumbs Up

HI Donald,
I think this is a very grey area, I have a lot of questions with master sites and boundaries myself.
Regarding the parking - I assume that the shared parking should be included in the project form. Parking can be ouside the LEED boundary in "normal" projects, this should be relevant to Mastersites as well. I plan to submit parking as a master site credit, showing either the proportionate no. of parking spaces, or hte total no, in any case, submitting a narrative about this.

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Jun 19 2014 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Donald, the LEED EB portion of the question is reasonably easy. If you are completing a LEED EB the parking areas are normally assigned to each building based on where the energy for the parking lighting is being delivered from. So a multiple building LEED EB will, from the electrical engineeringElectrical and electronics engineering is the practical application of electricity. Electrical engineers are concerned with electrical devices and systems and with the use of electrical energy. as built drawing, assign square footages of parking to each building. This then provides the site boundary for each building and (usually) assigns landscaping as well. In a master site landscaping can of course be assigned globally...but not the energy because each building must create it's own energy star.

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Somsak Jidmon Senior Architect and LEED Consultant GA Studio Co.,LTD.
May 27 2014
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LEED NC for two buildings from 15

Hi,
If the project comprise of 15 buildings in one site and the owner would like only two buildings to be LEED certified. Is it possible to have only two buildings certified without consider the other 13 buildings? The rest of 13 building are workshop and M&E equipment room. Only the control building and admin building that we would like it to submitted for LEED. Can we submitted two buildings together to be one project submission?

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group May 27 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

Somsak,

You cannot have more than 1 building per submission. You may submit the 2 buildings together as a Group Certification if they are close enough to have 1 LEED Boundary, however each building will have separate and full certification fees. The other option is to pursue a Campus whereby you would have a Master Site and then certify each building individually using the Campus credits toward each building. You should probably review the newly issue LEED for Campus document - there is a link to it in a previous thread - look for my name.

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Lou Niles Sustainability / LEED Specialist LPA, Inc.
May 19 2014
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Campus vs Group vs individual buildings

Hello I have a project that is comprised of three different buildings that are actually on a college campus. A dining facility; a 6 story housing building and a 2 story multi-use and housing building; Three Buildings all are on the same project site same fenced in area. I am just trying to make a decision as to 1. pursue each building individually and completely separately for all credits; or 2. pursue each building + Campus Approach; or 3. each building + Group approach. i know it depends heavily on many factors but In General is there a pros and cons as to which is more efficient?

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Michelle Rosenberger Partner, ArchEcology, LLC May 19 2014 LEEDuser Member 7418 Thumbs Up

Hi Lou,
We have several campus projects. A Master Site with campus credits will yield different certs for each project (unlike group credits) and will provide some synergies for the site credits though likely much of the projects will remain separate. The primary benefit is typically the 20% discount off the certification fees of the individual projects by virtue of associating them with the Master Site. If the buildings are sizable, the savings can be significant.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Jun 10 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

Lou,

You also would not be able to do a Group as your 3 buildings are too different from each other. A Group Certification really wants all the buildings in the Group to be very similar, otherwise documenting the Group credits becomes difficult.

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Ghaleb El Mheirat Mechanical Engineer dar al-handasah
May 19 2014
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LEED Boundary

We are currently working on a project (Hotel) where there is a seperate utility building serving Hotel. The hotel is targetting LEED certificate.
I just have a small question; if the utility building serves only the hotel, shall we include it in the LEED boundary?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 25 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Ghaleb, I would strongly consider including it. The LEED boundary should include everything essential to the project's performance. I would post this question under MPR2 and review the guidance there.

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Emmanuel Pauwels Owner Green Living Projects s.l.
Apr 17 2014
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hotel with cottages

We are looking at a hotel project (BD&C) that consists of a main building and separate cottages. It is my understanding that the cottages have to be treated as individual buildings since they are not physically connected to the main building. To certify this project, would a campus certification be allowed using BD+C for the hotel and LEED for Homes for the cottages? The cottages are not really residential units but sort of luxury bedrooms with bathroom. Anyone has any suggestions on how to treat this type of development?

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Eric Anderson Apr 18 2014 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hello Emmanuel, Please see if the project will qualify to pursue a single, combined certification under LEED BD+C in accordance with LEED InterpretationLEED Interpretations are official answers to technical inquiries about implementing LEED on a project. They help people understand how their projects can meet LEED requirements and provide clarity on existing options. LEED Interpretations are to be used by any project certifying under an applicable rating system. All project teams are required to adhere to all LEED Interpretations posted before their registration date. This also applies to other addenda. Adherence to rulings posted after a project registers is optional, but strongly encouraged. LEED Interpretations are published in a searchable database at usgbc.org. (LI) 10203 (www.usgbc.org/leed-interpretations?keys=10203). It sounds as though this project may qualify to use that approach, but you will have to make sure it meets all the conditions/criteria listed in the LI. Please note that in LEED v4 there is a special 'Hospitality' adaptation of the BD+C rating system that you may wish to use (http://www.usgbc.org/articles/getting-know-leed-building-design-and-cons...).

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Emmanuel Pauwels Owner, Green Living Projects s.l. Apr 22 2014 LEEDuser Member 3558 Thumbs Up

Thank you Eric, that is a useful LI. Indeed, after checking all the conditions it seems that this hotel could be certified as one building including the cottages since they are smaller then 2500 sqft

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LEEDme STRATEGIE SRL STRATEGIE SRL Jan 15 2015 Guest 269 Thumbs Up

Is this interpretation also applicable to industrial buildings part of the same sector?

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Eduardo Straub Straub Sustentabilidade
Apr 17 2014
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Campus Fees

Hi,

I`m confused in how to calculate de fees for Campus projects. I have a project with 6 warehouses in the same site (LEED NC 2009). So, when I go to check the fees for Master Site, I have to pay $1,200 for registration (OK!) plus $ 2,000 for each building or overall (this is my doubt)?

I`m a bit confused because if I do this calculation for BD+C fees, the fee will cost $107,000.00 .

I`m not sure if I`m doing it right.

Anyone can help me?

Thanks

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Michelle Rosenberger Partner, ArchEcology, LLC May 19 2014 LEEDuser Member 7418 Thumbs Up

Hi Eduardo,
Assuming you are doing a Master Site and campus credits for 6 warehouse projects (rather than one group), you would pay $1,200 to register the Master Site + $1,200 to register each of the 6 warehouses or $8,400 total.

To calculate certification, it's the review fee for the Master Site which is $2,000 for combined review + the SF review fee for each warehouse X 20% discount on each one.

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FABIO VIERO Head of Sustainability Manens-Tifs s.p.a.
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group certification - exclude an existing building

We are investigating if group certification approach may be suitable for a project that include within the same LEED boundary the following buildings:
- n1 Existing Building (Energy House) that was and will remain only for a mechanical and electrical technical spaces (no FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories. and not occupabile spaces).
- n1 New Office Building
- n1 New Conference Building

During the construction activities of the new buildings it is also planned the dismounting and supply and installation of newest mechanical systems and electrical system located inside the existing building.

Question:
May the Existing Building be excluded from the LEED group certification, whilst remaining within the LEED boudary?

thanks in advance

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Apr 09 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). really wants all buildings in a Group Certification to be very similar, that way the Group Credits can be documented easily. Otherwise you may have issue when trying to document if the buildings are too different. Sounds like a Campus approach with a Master Site may be the best way to go for this project.

The existing building can be excluded within a Master Site, don't think its possible for a Group Certification.

Review the new AGMBC issued on 4/1/14.

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Gabriela Hernández Castillo Architect, LEED AP BD+C SYASA - México
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LEEDBoundary 100%parking bassement Not all levels to be included

CAMPUS: Two office towers designed to meet LEED Core & Shell with three parking bassement levels, the parking structure occupies the 100% of the site, in addition there is a residential tower that will use two levels of the same structure and none of the residential use area will be considered to be LEED certified. Could we let out of the LEED boundary the two parking levels serving the residential tower?

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Apr 03 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

If I understand the project from your description I would say No, because once you set the Campus Boundary or Master Site boundary, everything inside that boundary must be included for any campus credits whether it pursues LEED certification or not.

This is explained within the AGMBC - you should know a new version just came out as of 4/1/14. So if you haven't registered your project(s) this is the document you should go by.

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Gabriela Hernández Castillo Architect, LEED AP BD+C , SYASA - México Apr 03 2014 Guest 2920 Thumbs Up

Donald, could you share the link to the document published on 4/1/14 Thanks

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FABIO VIERO Head of Sustainability Manens-Tifs s.p.a.
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Group Certification and Showers

Hi,

our project is based on three buildings (A, B and C), with a common basement, dedicated to circulation and parking.

We pursue a group certification.

Showers and changing rooms are located in the basement and shared for the three buildings (showers and changing rooms are located in two adjacent spaces -one for males and one for females-, close to the stairwell of building A, with free access form circulation area.

Questions:

1. Assuming that the distance between Shower & changing rooms and each building's main entrance is less then 200yr, is this solution compliant with the requirement?

2. For WEp1 calculation, in which we have to submit 3 separate forms, one for each building under certification, may we charge the whole number of FTEFull-time equivalent (FTE) represents a regular building occupant who spends 8 hours a day (40 hours a week) in the project building. Part-time or overtime occupants have FTE values based on their hours per day divided by 8 (or hours per week divided by 40). Transient Occupants can be reported as either daily totals or as part of the FTE. Residential occupancy should be estimated based on the number and size of units. Core and Shell projects should refer to the default occupancy table in the Reference Guide appendix. All occupant assumptions must be consistent across all credits in all categories. (related to building s A, B and C) on building A, in order to calculate shower water use?

Thank you.

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Emmanuel Pauwels Owner, Green Living Projects s.l. Mar 31 2014 LEEDuser Member 3558 Thumbs Up

Fabio,
Since you are doing a group certification I understand the 3 buildings will be certified as one whole. The water calculations are based on FTEs so you should use the FTEs of each buillding in order to make the calculations. Where the showers are located is not relevant, as long as they are accesible for everyone. Hope this helps.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Mar 31 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

Be careful, there is an LI out there whereby when the showers are in a remote location the reviewers have requested that the applicant prove that the shower count can handle the amount of use for the host building occupants as well as those occupants from the adjacent buildings. Sorry I do not know the LI # off hand, I believe there has been discussions on that issue as well within LEEDuser. In this case I think that the shower use would have to be counted for all users within building A as well as from those adjacent proposed users.

I will see if I can find that LI...

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FABIO VIERO Head of Sustainability, Manens-Tifs s.p.a. Apr 01 2014 LEEDuser Member 1135 Thumbs Up

Emmanuel, thank you for your reply!

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FABIO VIERO Head of Sustainability, Manens-Tifs s.p.a. Apr 01 2014 LEEDuser Member 1135 Thumbs Up

Donald, many thanks, I'll review this LI.

Consider that all showers are included in the LEED Boundary and for the exclusive use of my project.

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Ann Palermo
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Multiple buildings with common basement

Hi,

I just want to know your opinion regarding the possibility of applying campus credits on multiple buildings with common basement.

Have any of you experienced certifying this type of development?

The three (3) office tower wants to apply for LEED certification, however the tower shares its basement parking to the podium retail (the tower sits above the retail roof deck). How do you go about this and is the multiple building the best approach?

Appreciate your feedback - thanks.

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Emmanuel Pauwels Owner, Green Living Projects s.l. Mar 27 2014 LEEDuser Member 3558 Thumbs Up

Ann,
We have certified a similar project. It consisted of 3 seperate buildings on a block. We decided to certify them as one building based on the following conditions:
a) Spaces included in the gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.) of the project serves a purpose other than parking or the circulation of people is contiguous throughout the structure. We showed that the common parking below the buildings included also showers and technical rooms that are shared between the 3 buildings as well as one common entrance that gave access to the 3 buildings once inside the property. We also showed that several equipment serves all 3 buildings.
b) All building components of the LEED project that are addressed by LEED prerequisites and pursued credits (systems, materials, etc) can be treated as one, such that separate reviews of the same issues are not required for different portions of the superstructure. We managed to justify all of the credits and prerequisites counting the project buildings as one.
In case you do not meet these conditions, you should either certify as campus or go for individual building certification. Hope this helps

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Ann Palermo Mar 27 2014 Guest 354 Thumbs Up

Thanks Emmanuel,

Follow up question - what if the development is consisting of basement parking, retail podium and single office tower (sits at the podium deck) can we opt to certify just the tower portion?

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Emmanuel Pauwels Owner, Green Living Projects s.l. Mar 27 2014 LEEDuser Member 3558 Thumbs Up

Ann,
I think you can certify only the single office tower if you are able to demonstrate that it is seperate from the rest. That would mean separate owner or management, seperate physical borders and sepatate systems. You would then need to include those parts that service the building, in this case, the parking lot for instance.

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Maria Rozatti Sustainability Consultant, LEED AP O+M, Sustentech Jan 26 2015 LEEDuser Member 72 Thumbs Up

Hello, Emmanuel.
How you have shown in the PIF 2 the existence of three buildings?

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Emmanuel Pauwels Owner, Green Living Projects s.l. Jan 26 2015 LEEDuser Member 3558 Thumbs Up

Maria, in our case we certified as one building so in PIf2 we indicated one building. We did add a narrative with more explanation about the 3 volumes with a narrative explaining they need to be considered as one building.

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K A Consultant
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Best strategy for an existing campus

An existing campus with no LEED certified buildings, no similar buildings except the dorms. What would be the best strategy: certify a group of buildings first then pursue a campus master site. Understanding that existing buildings will take time to upgrade and likely it will be done in phases as funding is allocated - what is the best way forward?
Thanks
Khaled

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Feb 28 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

If you are going to do a Master Site - do that first so you can take advantage of those credits for your individual projects. You can do the Master Site in conjunction with a project as well from a timing stand point. Be careful now as GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). is still mulling over how a v2009 master site and projects will turn over into v4 or if they can be mixed together as long as they are all BD&C etc. I have not heard if that decision has been made. You may have to have a v2009 Master Site and then upgrade it or have a separate v4 Master Site. I feel you should get an answer to that question then you can set your course.

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K A Consultant Mar 07 2014 Guest 180 Thumbs Up

Thanks Donald. How can I estimate the Master Site fees?

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Mar 10 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

Go to the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). website, under Building Certification you can click on the Fees link - it is a flat fee.

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Laura Charlier LEED Services Director Group14 Engineering
Feb 28 2014
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Group/Campus Projects

Hi Everyone,
We have a project that includes three dorms, a dining hall, and a master site -- we were interested in transitioning this over to the new platform but we weren't sure if a project can be BOTH a group and campus project. Is it possible for the three dorms to pursue group certification while the master site and dining hall pursue campus certification? Also, to take a step backwards, can you do both a master site and group certification?

Thanks!

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Feb 28 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

It is my understanding that you can do a Group Certification within a Master Site - the 2011 AGMBC has images that show this. There would be some documentation efficiencies to go that route especially for the Group. I would then believe the Group Certification could take advantage of the Master Site credits as well. However from a review fee standpoint just doing the Master Site with each individual project under that would be the more efficient way to go. I do not know if GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). would grant the 20% review fee discount on the Group Certification if it were to be within the Master Site - that would be a question to ask.

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Eric Anderson Feb 28 2014 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Hi Laura, Yes, you can combine the Group certification and Campus credit (aka Master Site) approaches from the AGMBC. However, Donald is correct that only individual building "Campus Projects" are eligible for the 20% discount on the review fees. "Campus Group Projects" do not receive that discount.

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Zuokui Ning ir. RoyalHaskoningingDHV
Feb 28 2014
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Can't open LEEDonline forms for each building in campus project?

Hi,

We are certifying a campus project with the new leed online: https://www.usgbc.org/leedonline.new

For some credits we are asked to fill in forms for each building, such as IEQp1, etc.

The credit form says: Project building with which this form is being completed:

However, I can only open one form for that credit, does anybody know how to open new forms for more buildings?

Thanks

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Eric Anderson Feb 28 2014 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Please use the following procedure for prerequisites & credits that must be documented on an individual building (or space) basis and, thus, require multiple forms:

a) Complete the LEED Online form as normal for the first building/space that is part of the project.
b) Save copies of this form to your personal computer for all subsequent buildings/spaces that are included in the project. If the “Save a Copy” button is not already visible in the Adobe toolbar above the form, it can be added by right clicking on the toolbar, selecting “More Tools,” scrolling to “File Toolbar” and selecting “Save a Copy.”
c) Complete all copied forms offline.
d) Upload copied forms and accompanying documentation to the “Special Circumstances” section of your online form. Be sure to name files in such a way that it is clear to which project building/space each document or form pertains. There is also usually a field at the top of these non-Group credit forms where the name of the particular building (or space) for which the form is being completed should be entered. These should match the individual building (or space) names/IDs entered in PIf2 & PIf3.

NOTE: Adobe Reader may not allow you to save changes to the offline forms you have downloaded. Therefore, you may either use Adobe Acrobat, which will allow you to save your edits, or you may complete the form(s) on your computer and print a copy to PDF (or print a hardcopy & scan as PDF), which you can then upload to the Special Circumstances section of the main (live) form in LEED Online.

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Zuokui Ning ir., RoyalHaskoningingDHV Mar 03 2014 LEEDuser Member 163 Thumbs Up

Thanks very much Eric, this is of great help!

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Samantha Wolf
Feb 27 2014
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Submitted 3 buildings as group- but 1 did not get a permit

We are in the process of submitted the design phase for 3 residential buildings as a group under the LEED for new construction but one of the buildings seems to have problem's getting a permit. Does it mean that if the 3rd building will not be build the whole group can't be certified? Would you advise us to ask GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). to exclude this building from certification and to change the LEED boundary accordingly (if it is at all possible)? Thank you very much for a much needed help :)

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Eric Anderson Feb 28 2014 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

Generally, if you have not yet completed your Design review, you could simply revise the LEED project boundary & application to eliminate the third building, but if the Design review has already been completed, and you have a major change in scope like this special coordination & instructions may be required. Feel free to contact GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). using our Contact Us form (http://www.gbci.org/org-nav/contact/Contact-Us/Project-Certification-Que...) to request a call with staff to discuss your situation if you are already into the review process.

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Kent Liu
Feb 20 2014
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Group project boundary for two buildings that are separated

Hi all,

I am pursing a multiple building submission for 2 NC buildings. I am currently trying to draw a group project boundary for the 2 buildings which are separated by a project boundary of another ongoing LEED group project. I understand from this guideline that the campus boundary must be continuous, but nothing was mentioned regarding group boundary.

Is it possible to have my group project boundary marked as two separated parcels of land, each containing one of the buildings?

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Eric Anderson Feb 28 2014 LEEDuser Member 420 Thumbs Up

For group projects, the same MPR 3 criteria apply as for individual buildings (except that there can be more than one LEED-certifiable building within the LEED Project Boundary). Therefore, the criteria outlined on page 24 of the LEED 2009 MPR Supplemental Guidance (http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs6473.pdf) regarding when non-contiguous parcels may be included would apply. Of course, a single, contiguous LEED Project (site) Boundary is preferable.

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Isabel Santos ECOCHOICE SA
Feb 18 2014
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LEED EBOM group certification

Dear all,
I have a question about LEED EBOMEBOM is an acronym for Existing Buildings: Operations & Maintenance, one of the LEED 2009 rating systems. group registration and certification fees. My company is analyzing two office buildings that are very similar and we are trying to understand what could be the advantages (in terms of costs) of joining these two buildings in a single Group Project Certification. We have analyzed the “Registration and Certification Fees” section (http://www.usgbc.org/cert-guide/fees#campus) and we couldn’t quite understand the fees applied. There is a registration fee “$1,200 per building or space within group” in section Group Certification Approach (for Organizational Level or Non-members). Regarding certification fees, how do we calculate the fees applied for these two buildings?

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Michael Smithing Director - Green Building Advisory, Colliers International Feb 18 2014 LEEDuser Member 3526 Thumbs Up

I haven't followed the fees in a while, but when they finally released the Group Project Certification fees there was no discount - I assume that this has not changed. Essentially, the cost is the same as certifying the buildings separately, the benefit is to the project team as you can save on documentation - they will only question you once on your plans, policies, etc. if I understand correctly. By the time they released the group program the two identical buildings I was certifying were well advanced in the process.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Feb 18 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

That is correct, no discounts... GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). proposes that you can save documentation time but that saved time is not reflected in the saved review time - i.e. a discount in the fees. Group can help if you have a problem site and can't create multiple LEED Boundaries to meet the MPR's or you have issues with documentation of SS credits. You must also have similar building types or you need to look at a Master Site.

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Donald Green Operations Manager ai Design Group
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SSp1 fo contiguous sites

If you have several sites within the Campus Master Site whereby the projects are to be constructed at the same time and the project sites are contiguous, is there any way to not have a separate ESCAn Erosion and Sedimentation Control (ESC) plan is a collection of measures designed to reduce pollution from construction activities by controlling soil erosion, waterway sedimentation and airborne dust generation for each site? Thereby having 1 ESC surrounding all of the sites to allow the contractor to move freely between sites and minimize entry points.

Thank you,

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Jul 26 2014 LEEDuser Moderator

Donald, I don't see any issue with having one ESCAn Erosion and Sedimentation Control (ESC) plan is a collection of measures designed to reduce pollution from construction activities by controlling soil erosion, waterway sedimentation and airborne dust generation plan for multiple projects in this way. I would just make sure that it has the specificity to apply to all and be sufficiently rigorous.

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Yukari Treible Project Administrator Ashley McGraw Architects, D.P.C.
Jan 31 2014
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K-12 Project Using LEED for Schools 2.0 & AGMBC 2005

I am looking for some answers regarding a K-12 Project we are submitting to LEED that involves certifying the ADDITIONS ONLY to two separate buildings on a shared campus site. We already have both school buildings registered on LEED Online with two separate Project ID's under LEED for Schools 2.0 and we are referencing the LEED AGMBC 2005 for the project so we can certify the building additions for the two separate schools separately instead of as a group of buildings receiving one certification.
I had a few questions regarding the proper way to submit these buildings through LEED online. We would like to ensure we are able to benefit from the Sustainable Sites credits (along with some select other credits) being applied to both projects since we designed the site elements (parking, community connectivity, etc.) using a holistic campus design approach. I am a LEED AP who is new to the AGMBC process and would like some suggestions and explanation regarding how to go about submitting the site credits for a shared campus under the AGMBC submission process. Another LEED AP I know suggested that we submit the Middle School first with all the SS credit material and just note in the templates for each credit that we are seeking approval for these credits as "shared campus credits". Then following certification of the first building we should submit the second building and note in the templates that the credits for the SS categories were already reviewed and approved under the Middle School's Project ID. Is this the correct approach to this unique situation under the AGMBC 2005 guidelines?
Are there any other things we should be making sure we do during the submission process to ensure that it's easily understood by the reviewers and we can submit everything correctly the first time? Please let me know!

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Kristina Bach Sustainability Specialist Jan 31 2014 LEEDuser Member 1869 Thumbs Up

I'd actually recommend submitting them together at the same time (if the timing of the projects work out that way). That way if there's any issue that comes up, you can deal with it on a campus-basis. For example, if an approach in Bldg A gets approved but then something in Bldg B contradicts it, you'd have to redo all that credit work in Bldg B and/or possibly change your strategy. Seeing both projects together at the same time will provide reviewers with a better, more holistic understanding of your project.

The best approach I know of for v2 projects:
1) In Bldg A: Include all of the campus documentation and calculations for the credits you'd like to attempt at a campus level. I'd recommend including a narrative for each prerequisite/credit that you are attempting via a campus path stating: "This prerequisite/credit has been attempted at a campus level. The documentation included here applies to both ABC School Campus Bldg A and Bldg B." That will make it clear to reviewers when you have attempted something at a campus level vs. when you have attempted something on a project-specific level.

2) In Bldg B: For the credits that you are attempting at a campus level, I'd recommend including a narrative stating "This prerequisite/credit has been attempted at a campus level. Please see the documentation within ABC School Campus Bldg A."

3) In both projects: In the general documents section, it would be helpful to include an overall drawing showing the campus plan and each of the individual LEED project boundaries. Additionally, include a brief narrative that outlines the occupancy information for the both buildings in the campus and includes a list of which specific credits/prerequisites you are going to attempt at a campus level. Generally, this document would be identical in each project.

4) In advance of submitting for your first review: Contact GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). probably about 2 weeks before you would like to submit for your first review. Let them know that these are related campus projects that you would like sent to both projects sent to the same review team. In your request, make sure to include the LEED project numbers, LEED project names, and the date when you would like to submit the projects. It is helpful if the projects have related/similiar names in LEED Online so reviewers can easily recognize them in their project lists as related (such as "ABC School Campus Bldg A" and "ABC School Campus Bldg B").

5) After GBCI confirms that both projects can be sent to the same review team: I would then make sure that both projects are submitted on the same day. You wouldn't need to re-contact GBCI when you need to provide clarifications/resubmit later phases, however, I would recommend continuing to send both projects in at the same time for all future reviews. That way, reviewers will always get all the information together so that they can look at the campus-credits in the context of both individual projects.

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Robert Phinney Director, Sustainable Design Solutions HDR
Jan 30 2014
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Phased major renovation

I have a client that is phasing the major renovation of their facility due to the need to keep it in continuous operations. Each phase is separated horizontally (one long building) with firewalls and a single contractor will be performing all phases. it is anticipated that the five phases will be constructed over a 3-4 year period but subsequent phased construction cannot occur until the previous phase is complete - no concurrent construction of phases.

We wish to pursue a single LEED NC certification for the entire project but are wondering if there is any issue doing so because of the phasing plan and length of time for certification.

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Susan Walter Specifications Director, Populous Jan 30 2014 LEEDuser Expert 19687 Thumbs Up

I don't think the phasing should be an issue but I would call the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). about the length of construction. Are you worried that the program will sunset on you during construction? When you talk to the GBCI, I would make sure you can articulate the % of construction per phase. The worst case I can see is if the last phase is also the largest phase and you are coming up on a sunset. Then it may be best to move to a different program.

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Heather DeGrella Sustainability Design Leader Opsis Architecture
Jan 29 2014
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LEED v4 and v2009 projects and On-Campus Approach

The AGMBC has a section titled "New Versions of LEED" that states : If the version of LEED changes (for example from LEED 2009 to future versions of LEED) all campus credits must be re-submitted for review at the expense of the project team before the campus credits may be used on projects under the new version of the rating system." Does this mean that some individual buildings may be registered under 2009 and others under v4, but all the campus wide credits will have to update to LEED v4? Or will the original campus credits for 2009 still apply to buildings under 2009, and only v4-registered projects use the campus credits submitted under v4? If all the projects have to use the LEED v4 campus credits, would we need to cross-reference the list of acceptable LEED v4 credits for substitution (http://www.usgbc.org/resources/2009-v4-credit-substitution-bdc) to determine which campus credits from LEED v4 would be accepted for v2009 projects?

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Jan 29 2014 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Hi Heather, That's a great question. I don't believe the fine points of this transition for AGMBC projects from v3/2009 to v4 have been worked-out in full detail, but the simplest way to deal with this would be to register a new v4 Master Site within the existing Campus in our New LEED Online platform (usgbc.org/leedonline.new). Then, after all the 'campus credits' that the v4 projects would like to utilize have been approved in the v4 Master Site, all new v4 projects would draw credits from the v4 Master Site. All v3 projects could draw approved/awarded credits from the existing v3 Master Site until that rating system version is Sunset. Thanks for asking.

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Werner Maassen Artchitect SmithGroupJJR
Jan 06 2014
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Senior Living Community - Multiple Registrations really needed?

Our project entails an existing Senior Housing and Care Campus in California consisting of 10 buildings.

Our client/owner/operator wants to achieve LEED Silver for 6 of the buildings which will be going through significant enough renovation that they will fall under LEED – NC rating. All the buildings are of similar construction type (Type V) wood frame. The other 4 buildings are going through minor cosmetic work and will not go for LEED certification at this time.

3 of the buildings are for Assisted Living Care, 2 will be for Memory Care and one is a Commons/Community function. Timing and phasing of construction will be driven by the important needs of continued and uninterrupted housing and care of the various groups of residents which will entail shifting them from building to building. This is a significant part of the logistics of keeping the campus operating smoothly during a little over 26 month construction period

We are looking to take full advantage of LEED AGMBC. The goal is to have all 6 buildings under a one Group Certification and thus share a single certification,.

Our primary question is whether or not a 3 year time period of completion of all buildings is allowable under one single certification even though obviously not all buildings will be under construction at the same time? As we read the AGMBC Application Guide of 10.31.2011, we see that all buildings “that comprise the group must be under the same construction contract and constructed at the same time.”
The 6 bldgs will be under the same construction contract - the question is how “constructed at the same time” is to be interpreted? - literally? Simultaneous construction of all 6 bldgs is simply not possible due the phasing required by housing and caring of the residents and this will mean one building at a time.

It seems that this project’s unique phasing is preventing our client from the advantage of the group approach and forcing them to go through the added effort of 6 separate registrations.

Any advice or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Donald Green Operations Manager, ai Design Group Feb 28 2014 Guest 1915 Thumbs Up

I would look at a Master Site so you can take advantage of the 20% discount on the review fees for each building. Yes you have to pay for the Master Site registration and Review fees, but if you do the math I think you will find that the 20% savings on the review fees for the buildings will far out weigh the Master Site cost, especially if any of the buildings are over 50,000 sf. You would also not have to deal with the phasing as once the Master Site is in place you can certify the other buildings as they are completed with no worries on a time line. The only catch is they all have to be the same LEED rating system: i.e. all v2009 NC which is sounds like they are.

It also sounds like, from your description, that the project buildings may not be a good fit for Group Certification as the Commons Building is not very similar to the other 2 building types. Group Certification wants all the buildings to be very similar.

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KIMBERLY KRAFT
Jan 02 2014
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proceed to post-certification on master site application?

I have a Master Site application that is currently in Design and Construction application decision. When I go to the “Overview” tab in LEED Online, I have (4) button options, one of which is “Proceed to Post-Certification”. Does anyone know if I need to hit this button to “accept” the application decision and make the allocated credits available to the associated individual LEED projects to be certified? Any clarification is appreciated!

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James MacMillan VP - Director of Sustainability Karpinski Engineering
Dec 31 2013
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Prerequisites for campus projects

I am working on a campus project that will have two distinct buildings - an office building and a hotel with an attached convention center. I have concerns with how to document certain building specific prerequisite for the master site because I cannot delete the prequisites from LEED Online. For example, the energy models for EAp2 Minimum Energy Performance will be different and perhaps not even both complete when we submit for design review, as the master site must be submitted before or at the same time as the first building on the campus.

My question is, how do we document the prerequisites for instances like this? Do we use the information from building one and then upload the new models/water use calcs/other building specific credits under that buildings project title and not master site?

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
Dec 24 2013
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Group Certification - must buildings be "substantially similar"?

An April 16 2013 article on the USGBC website, regarding multiple building certification, mentions "Group Certification, which allows project teams with separate buildings that are substantially similar to certify as one project that shares a single certification."

I am unable to find any other reference to the need for buildings in a group to be "substantially similar".

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of this requirement?

Many thanks!

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 26 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Deborah, I found the article you are referring to here.

It looks to me like Group Certification is a distinct certification path from Campus certification. You can certify a group of buildings under one LEED project, with this approach, which is different from the Campus approach in which distinct buildings use shared attributes of the campus to contribute to their individual LEED certifications.

In terms of better understanding the meaning of "substantially similar," maybe you could give an example of what you're working with.

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Amy Hood Project Architect BHDP Architecture
Dec 04 2013
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Should Campus approach be used?

We currently have two project seeking certification separately on a single campus. The two projects have completed all of the forms and have just not yet submitted for review. We now have an additional two buildings on the same campus that will be renovated and will be seeking certification. Would it be in our best interest to transition these four buildings into a campus certification approach? Would previous documentation need to be completely revised? Or could the previous two buildings be submitted as is and a new approach be taken with the two new buildings currently in concept design?

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Amy, I hope that someone with more experience in the campus system will answer your question, but my understanding would be that you cannot transition your existing documentation to LEED Online for Campuses, so replicating that would be a bit nutty. I think if you started working from a campus point of view going forward with these two projects and any in the future, that would make sense.

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Elizabeth Thompson LEED Specialist, USGBC Dec 20 2013 LEEDuser Member 850 Thumbs Up

You're right, we don't have the option to transition existing documentation in LOv3 to LEED Online for Campuses.

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist GBCI
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Need suggestion on a multiple building site

(Dear H.K.C.B. Heendeniya - Sorry this is not stacking as a reply under your original comment, but I was unable to get the 'reply' button to appear there.) Since each of the three buildings you described appears to contain more than 1,000 square feet of 'gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.)', the general rule of thumb would be to treat them each as a separate LEED-certifiable building. Then, the team would have the option of applying one or both of the approaches outlined in the AGMBC (http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs10486.pdf). In particular, the 'group credit' (aka group certification) approach may make sense in a situation like this if all three buildings will be built under a singe construction contract/scope of work.

Occasionally, a different approach might be warranted due to the disposition of integral functions amongst related buildings or other such special circumstances. Teams facing complicated scenarios like this are encouraged to use the Contact form (http://www.gbci.org/org-nav/contact/Contact-Us/Project-Certification-Que...) to explain their situations and obtain feedback directly from USGBC/GBCI before registering their projects as this will help ensure a smoother certification process.

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Joanna Switzer
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LEED Campus/Group web browser/adobe plug-in issues.

Has anyone else experienced issues with Adobe plug-in and javascript within the new website? I have trouble-shooted with various browsers (google chrome, firefox, etc) to no avail....I cannot find a list of setting requirements posted on the USGBC website for this new platform either! I am at a stand-still and cannot get the credit forms to appear and/or save the entered data in a newly registered project using the Campus/Groups site. Any tips would be greatly appreciated as going through GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). customer service on such matters can be challenging. Thanks!

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Dec 02 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Joanna, yes this is an 'on-going' problem in three segments. 1. Up to now (and unless GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). jump in here) Safari is the only browser that successfully can 'get in' to LEED on Line, plus it can only be a certain level, (10.1.4 if I remember right)...so that auto upgrade button on your computer needs deactivated as Safari is already at 11.4!. Another problem is that if you have inadvertently upgraded then finding the correct software to down grade is very problematic. 2. If you run MAC..then you are in a world of your own. The only positive way of overcoming the work around on MAC is to down load 'Parallels' and then install a single version of Microsoft, with the right browser format, see above, and then run it. 3. Finally, when oh when will GBCI modernize the system so we don't get these problems. Being restricted to older versions of a browser on a multi-million dollar business platform seems a little daft. All other comments and help from LEED User would be very useful!

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Dec 02 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Hi Joanna, My apologies for any difficulties you are having with LEED Online for Campus. I just tried to post a longer reply, but when I hit Submit it disappeared. So, rather than retype it in its entirety and risk a completely redundant posting if my earlier comment decides to show-up later, suffice it to say, I suggest you look at this earlier comment (http://www.leeduser.com/topic/new-leed-guidance-campuses-and-multiple-bu... ) and the associated thread for the basic system requirements & some limited trouble-shooting ideas. If they don't work (or, if you are using a MAC, and Barry's helpful suggestions don't resolve your problems either), I would suggest using the 'Feedback' button (which can usually be found in the lower right of most screens in LEED Online for Campus) to report your problem directly to our IT staff. Please be sure to include you contact info, project ID, and the best way & times to reach you.

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Dec 04 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

NOTE*** This pertains to the discussion thread/item immediately below, "Need suggestion on a multiple building site". I'm posting it here, because I don't see the 'Post a Reply' link under that discussion thread/item.

H.K.C.B. Heendeniya,
Since each of the three buildings appears to contain more than 1,000 square feet of 'gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.)', the general rule of thumb would be to treat them each as a separate LEED-certifiable building. Then, the team would have the option of applying one or both of the approaches outlined in the AGMBC (http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs10486.pdf). In particular, the 'group credit' (aka group certification) approach may make sense in a situation like this if all three buildings will be built under a singe construction contract/scope of work.

Occasionally, a different approach might be warranted due to the disposition of supporting functions amongst related buildings or other such special circumstances. Teams facing complicated scenarios like this are encouraged to use the Contact form (http://www.gbci.org/org-nav/contact/Contact-Us/Project-Certification-Que...) to explain their situations and obtain feedback directly from USGBC/GBCI before registering their projects as this will often ensure a smoother certification process.

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H.K.C.B. Heendeniya Co-Energi (Pvt) Ltd.
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Need suggestion on a multiple building site

Dear all,

I have a NC 2009 project that is located on a site of 216315 sq.ft. The project boundary includes 3 physically separated buildings viz. a production plant of 42,152 sq.ft, a canteen building of 7882 sq.ft and a toilet block of 3950 sq.ft. The generator room and the compressor rooms are attached to the toilet block and the boiler room is attached to the canteen building.

By looking at the description do you suggest we should apply for a campus registration? In my opinion for this kind of set up campus registration does not make sense because 3 buildings are not mutually exclusive in terms of occupancy, operation and resource sharing.

Please give me your ideas and if you need more information about the site to make a judgement please reply and I will provide the additional information .

Thank you very much.

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Dec 02 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Since each of the three buildings appears to contain more than 1,000 square feet of 'gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.)', the general rule of thumb would be to treat them each as a separate LEED-certifiable building. Then, the team would have the option of applying one or both of the approaches outlined in the AGMBC (http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs10486.pdf). In particular, the 'group credit' (aka group certification) approach may make sense in a situation like this if all three buildings will be built under a singe construction contract/scope of work.

Occasionally, a different approach might be warranted due to the disposition of supporting functions amongst related buildings or other such special circumstances. Teams facing complicated scenarios like this are encouraged to use the Contact form (http://www.gbci.org/org-nav/contact/Contact-Us/Project-Certification-Que...) to explain their situations and obtain feedback directly from USGBC/GBCI before registering their projects as this will often ensure a smoother certification process.

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Henrique Mendes Mr. Green Domus
Oct 09 2013
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New to AGMBC

Hi there.
We have a client that has 6 projects of buildings to be constructed at different location. But all this 6 projects are the same.
I´d like to know if it´s possible to get any advantages from this similarity of the projects. I´ve looked at this AGMBC but seems like we cannot fit them into Group certification. Is there any other way to get the credits for them all at once?

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Oct 09 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Hi Henrique, Unfortunately, if the buildings are not all located on a shared site/campus, the AGMBC would not be applicable (see requirement at top of pg 5 of the AGMBC document: http://www.usgbc.org/Docs/Archive/General/Docs10486.pdf). Though it would not make sense in this case either, it is worth mentioning for future reference that the LEED Volume program (http://www.usgbc.org/leed/certification/programs/volume) is intended to help streamline documentation and certification costs for multiple buildings of a similar type even if they are located on separate sites. That program only starts to become cost-effective when there are at least 25 projects (bldgs) or more involved. If you'd like to provide more details regarding this project via the Contact page of usgbc.org, we may be able to provide you with some additional suggestions or assistance.

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Henrique Mendes Mr., Green Domus Oct 16 2013 Guest 974 Thumbs Up

Thank you! I´ll take a look at the LEED Volume program for future references.

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Noriko Yasuhara Woonerf Inc.
Oct 09 2013
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Tenant design and construction guidelines- CS Sc9

Hi All,

Th Appendix A - AGMBC Applicability for Credits and Prerequisites in LEED 2009 Design & Construction Rating Systems describes a Mater Tenant Design and Construction Guideline for SSc9 Tenant Design and Construction Guidelines for LEED CS using the group certification scheme as:
"One Master Tenant Design & Construction Guideline may be used that includes a section for each building type and/or design included in the project."

Does the each building type stated above means: office, retail, residence? Is it correct to say that if I have two office buildings in one group certification I don't have to change anything from a normal Tenant Design & Construction Guideline?

Thanks in advance,

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Oct 09 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Hi Noriko, Your assumptions are basically correct. If the building types are the same they may not need any separate/different guidance, but another factor to consider is whether the designs of the buildings within the group differ in any way that would make a substantive difference to the project-specific guidelines you would provide to future Tenants. For example, the base buildingThe base building includes elements such as the structure, envelope, and building-level mechanical systems, such as central HVAC, etc.'s HVAC system can have a considerable effect on the tenant fit-out, and if one building's HVAC system differs substantially from the other's, the Tenant Guidelines should have separate sections to help the future tenants of each building optimize their fit-out for each building's HVAC system, even if they are both Office buildings.

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Noriko Yasuhara Woonerf Inc. Oct 10 2013 LEEDuser Member 2734 Thumbs Up

Eric,

Thank you for your explanation!

Best regards,

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John McLean Senior Associate Watson Tate Savory Architects
Oct 03 2013
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Group Project Grandfathered in as a single building

We registered a project in 2009 as a single building prior to the publications of campus/multi-building application guide even through it is three buildings. The project has come back and we found out the fees have tripled to re-register now as a Group Certification and some credits will be much more stringent now that each building must stand alone on the IEQ credits. Is there a president to "grandfather" the project in as it was registered in 2009 prior to the publication of the campus/multi-building process.

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Oct 03 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

John, This needs unraveling. I'm assuming that even though you registered the project as a single building that you never completed the forms and uploaded the same to the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC)....Correct?. You say the building has 'come back' and again I'm assuming the client has decided to go forward with the project. Are the three buildings connected in any way?. Are they all separately metered? I really don't hold out a lot of hope that you will get this project through as a single building without some more information. You're welcome to call me if that would help?

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John McLean Senior Associate, Watson Tate Savory Architects Oct 09 2013 Guest 106 Thumbs Up

In 2009 we only registered, no forms submitted. The project has "come back" meaning it was put on hold for some time and we are working to upload our design submission and documents are done, ready for bidding. All three buildings are totally separate on same tight lot, same leed bountry but not connected in any way. They will be separately metered.
Main question; is anyone aware of a pathway to allow three non-connected buildings to be treated as a single building and not use the Campus Guide?

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Oct 09 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

John. No, there is no pathway. They are either three separate buildings, or 'Group' (one plaque for the whole site), or 'Campus' if you want a plaque on each building. I suggest you call the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). and work something out with them.

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Ludmilla Pavlova-Gillham Senior Facilities Planner University of Massachusetts Amherst
Oct 02 2013
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LEED for Campus Master Site registration

My campus is considering registering our entire campus site (1400+ acres) under LEED for Campus. To whom do I issue the registration fee check - to USGBC or GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC).? Is there any advice from other campuses that have already worked through the process and can advise?
We have 2-3 building in various phases of the design process and many teams are asking for us to submit our site credits under the LEED for Campus registration. I have not seen the actual documentation requirements for LEED for Campus and would appreciate links to resources.

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Oct 02 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Ludmilla, Apply first to the GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). by direct email and get the finer details sorted out. They may well want to get a clear understanding of building numbers, those that EB against those that are NC, those where you might want to complete CI..
The new usgbc.org/leedonline website has the links to 'campus' and 'group' and from there the billing will be created. But start first by explaining to GBCI what you are trying to accomplish with your campus. Good luck

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
Sep 23 2013
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Project LEED Boundaries within a Master Site

What is the purpose of defining Project LEED boundaries when all the buildings are part of a Master Site application?
I'm stymied (already!) by the requirements to provide the basic information required on the individual project's PI forms - number of parking spaces? Area within LEED boundary? Do we provide the Master Site numbers, or the numbers derived specifically within the Project LEED boundary? If the latter - for what purpose? If the former - isn't this information redundant - it should be on the Master Site PI forms.
Any guidance is greatly appreciated!

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Tristan Roberts LEED AP BD+C, Editorial Director – LEEDuser, BuildingGreen, Inc. Nov 03 2013 LEEDuser Moderator

Deborah, you need to show that individual LEED buildings meet LEED requirements, and this will require LEED project boundaries that define the areas relevant to their credit achievement.

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KIMBERLY KRAFT Jan 02 2014 LEEDuser Member 402 Thumbs Up

Hello. I have a follow-up question to Deborah's: Is it possible that an individual LEED project boundary associated with a Master Site is simply the building footprintBuilding footprint is the area on a project site used by the building structure, defined by the perimeter of the building plan. Parking lots, parking garages, landscapes, and other nonbuilding facilities are not included in the building footprint.? Also, since the parking spaces are allocated in the Master Site application, is it feasible that the number of parking spaces provided for building users be 0 on the individual project PI form? Or does this contradict the language in the 2010 AMGBC document (p.8) that states “LEED project boundary must include all land that is associated with and supports normal project operations...” Are parking spaces for employees of an office building considered to support normal project operations? Thank you for any guidance.

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Anthea Ng
Sep 05 2013
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One building, two certificates?

E.g. a project has a building which includes Hotel and offices. The owners / operators shall be two different parties and they want separate certificates.

Yet, they will share the same car park, same landscape, same bicycle storage... etc. Would it be possible that I apply certificates separately but they share the same facilities?

If not, does that mean I must awkwardly draw LEED project boundary to separate the the carpark/ landscape/ bicycle storage?

Or whether the multiple building rules (campus) could be applied, so I can share these facilities under two certificates?

Many thanks!

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Sep 05 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Anthea. A lot of questions but the basic facts are this: Under MPR rules two buildings must be able to be 'separated' in very distinct guidelines. I ask you to review fully the requirements for vertically attached buildings and horizontally attached buildings in the MPR. Leaving aside the parking/landscaping/bike storage for the moment, if the two buildings cannot be 'separated' into two distinct portions it is very unlikely that you can provide for the two separate performance periods within the two buildings. Here's an alternative suggestion. Once the 'building' is certified as a single building purchase several of the translucent logos (They are an exact picture of the plaque) and mount these on every entrance door to the building. We have done this on several buildings that have multiple entrances, The logo looks like it has been sandblasted into the glass, and as they are on all entrances everyone entering the building has the knowledge that the whole building is certified.

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Sep 05 2013 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

Anthea,
Pg 22 of the MPR Supplement (2011 revision) has a provision for "Multi-party ownership:
a) Multiple-party ownership of a certifying building or space is acceptable. Proper accountability for MPR and rating system conformance must be in place."

What is unclear (of course) is what "proper accountability" means. You may want to approach GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). directly and get guidance on how to input the Owner information. e.g., whose initials go on the LEED Online forms?

Good luck, and please post any more information you may get on this question.

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E H Sustainability Architect Sep 05 2013 Guest 3905 Thumbs Up

If the MPR guidelines are not clear enough for your particular project, I would suggested submitting a CIRCredit Interpretation Ruling. Used by design team members experiencing difficulties in the application of a LEED prerequisite or credit to a project. Typically, difficulties arise when specific issues are not directly addressed by LEED information/guide. When you submit, make sure to include plans that clearly show where the dividing lines between the projects are and how MEP systems are separated.

The project also seems like a good candidate for the Campus Approach, with one Master Site and two individual building certifications (if the building is allowed to be separated into two projects).

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Anthea Ng Sep 05 2013 Guest 213 Thumbs Up

Thanks everyone.
I think the hotel and office can have a clear cut boundary within building while office is on lower floors and hotel takes the high zone, totally separate floors. A cut line should be easily laid in the building. And the vertically attached hotel is more than 20% gross floor areaGross floor area (based on ASHRAE definition) is the sum of the floor areas of the spaces within the building, including basements, mezzanine and intermediate‐floored tiers, and penthouses wi th headroom height of 7.5 ft (2.2 meters) or greater. Measurements m ust be taken from the exterior 39 faces of exterior walls OR from the centerline of walls separating buildings, OR (for LEED CI certifying spaces) from the centerline of walls separating spaces. Excludes non‐en closed (or non‐enclosable) roofed‐over areas such as exterior covered walkways, porches, terraces or steps, roof overhangs, and similar features. Excludes air shafts, pipe trenches, and chimneys. Excludes floor area dedicated to the parking and circulation of motor vehicles. ( Note that while excluded features may not be part of the gross floor area, and therefore technically not a part of the LEED project building, they may still be required to be a part of the overall LEED project and subject to MPRs, prerequisites, and credits.) of overall structure plus separate ownership, so I think two certificates should be ok.

I feel embarrased to cut the shared facilities, the landscape, carpark... etc. These two types of properties are actually in one building, so I am not so sure if "Campuses and Multiple Buildings" approach could be applied.

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Sep 05 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Anthea, OK, with this extra information we can now start to dig in with details. To separate the buildings vertically you will really need to show them separate...that's separate ownership (and really helps to have separate operational companies running the two parts). They must have separate metering, energy, gas and water. They must have separate HVAC systems....and if at all possible separate or clearly defined, entrances to the two parts. However they can share, fire systems, fire escapes and common roof (which of course they have). In terms of landscaping we find it better to assign all the landscaping to one part and the submeteringSubmetering is used to determine the proportion of energy use within a building attributable to specific end uses or subsystems (e.g., the heating subsystem of an HVAC system). is better able to handle the difference. This of course will mean that one building will gain different credits from another. As far as CMB, the cost benefit of using the system is not worth it...stick with separate certifications.

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LEED Consultant Green Building and Alternative Energy Sep 27 2013 LEEDuser Member 2352 Thumbs Up

Hello,
I have a similar situation as Anthea, where in a single site I have a shopping mall, with a hotel building and separately an office building, both on top of the mall. They all share an entrance and below both the hotel and office buildings is the mall. This site forms part of a Master site where other buildings will be separately certified, but how to define a LEED boundary for each seems unclear. Can a single site have 3 separate certifications? Anthea, have you been able to figure your project out? Thanks!

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Oct 02 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Rosamaria, This is getting complicated. No a single site cannot have 3 certifications (unless they were EB, NC and CI, which is not what you are asking)...unless you are able to clearly define the operations of the three spaces as I mentioned to Anthea above. In your case I can see that the hotel would have a separate operating company (Hilton for example) who would not be operating the mall and the office. But the mall and office block may well have the a common operating team (CBRE, Cush for examples). The swing gate here if having as few shared services as possible. Contact GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). direct for clarification.

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Robert Wichert Engineer
Aug 28 2013
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Water Efficiency

I am actively searching for guidance on how to input water efficiency for a two building group project. Does anybody know where that might be found. It is NOT in the Leedonline Resources.

Thanks!

Robert Wichert

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Aug 30 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Hi Robert, I assume you may be referring to how to submit info for each building separately for WEp1 compliance documentation purposes. If so, please use the following procedure for prerequisites & credits that require multiple forms (i.e. those credits not listed as "Group credits" in the Tables at the front of AGMBC Appendices A or B, whichever applies):

a) Complete the LEED Online form as normal for the first building/space that is part of the project.

b) Save copies of this form to your personal computer for all subsequent buildings/spaces that are included in the project. If the “Save a Copy” button is not already visible in the Adobe toolbar above the form, it can be added by right clicking on the toolbar, selecting “More Tools,” scrolling to “File Toolbar” and selecting “Save a Copy.”

c) Complete all copied forms offline.

d) Upload copied forms and accompanying documentation to the “Special Circumstances” section of your online form. Be sure to name files in such a way that it is clear to which project building/space each document or form pertains.

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Robert Wichert Engineer Aug 30 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Thank you very much. I understand completely, BUT WAIT!!!! The "+ADD FILE" button isn't working. Oh No! Now what?

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Robert Wichert Engineer Sep 03 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Sorry to report that the "+ADD FILE" button on Water Efficiency for Group Projects done via www.usgbc.org/leedonline still doesn't work.

Is anybody else having this problem, and yes, I have used the "FEEDBACK" link/frowny face/ input.

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Lara Branco
Aug 22 2013
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University Campus Buildings Connected

Hello,
I'm having some difficulty in figuring out if my project should be certified as one single building, or different building (and certifications) on a campus.

The project is of an university campus, that has 3 buildings in a row, 2 of which will be demolished and 1 (the one in the middle) will be maintained.
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In the place of the 2 demolished buildings, will be constructed new buildings. They have a shared underground parking lot and are also connected by a bridge on the 4th floor.
The building that will be maintained is between the 2 new buildings, under the bridge and over the parking lot and will not be renovated or connected to the new buildings.

My question is, if the new buildings are connected to each other (sharing the underground parking lot structure) but not to the existing building, can I pursue a singular certification and exclude the existing building or do I qualify for a Campus approach?

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Aug 23 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Lara. The 'swing gate' is if the 'connections' can be classed as robust enough...to be honest I doubt it but in any case please call USGBC and get a written, definitive reply to your question.

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E H Sustainability Architect Aug 23 2013 Guest 3905 Thumbs Up

Buildings connected only by parking structure or circulation cannot count as one building, per LEED MPR supplemental guidelines. They are separate buildings in LEED's eyes. So you have a couple options:
1) Group Certification (this is the equavalent to a single certification for multiple buildings)
2) Two individual certifications; or
3) Two individual certifications within a Master Site.

I would take a look at the site credits and see if it would be beneficial to use a Master Site (aka, Campus Approach).

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Robert Wichert Engineer
Aug 22 2013
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Using the Group EAP2 Spreadsheet

Does anybody have any experience with the Excel spreadsheet for group energy analysis? It is available here: http://www.usgbc.org/resources/eap2-whole-building-energy-simulation-sum...

I get all sorts of error messages and I'm worried that the output is going to be compromised.

Any assistance or ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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Robert Wichert Engineer Aug 22 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Well, I may have answered my own question. I looked at the version of Excel used to make the spreadsheet (2003) and then I used Excel 2003 to open it and it works much better.

This seems to be a recurring theme with V.2.

Cheers!

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deborah lucking associate fentress architects
Aug 15 2013
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Master Site - recycled content in landscape material

Intrepid LEEDusers,
The AGMBC indicates that MRc4 is not applicable for Master Site. How would we account for landscaping material that contains recycled content? Do these materials not figure at all in the project cost? What about locally-sourced (i.e. regional) landscape material? Or can we assign them to one or more of the building projects? Has anyone had experience with this?

Thanks!

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Tim Crowley LEED AP / Founder, www.BCdesignbuild.com Aug 21 2013 LEEDuser Member 1373 Thumbs Up

I was wondering about landscape material and how it applies to the regional materials credit as well. Anyone out there with some good info?

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Aug 21 2013 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

As well as energy savings from site lighting...how do we assign these?

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deborah lucking associate, fentress architects Sep 23 2013 LEEDuser Member 2115 Thumbs Up

I did get an answer from GBCIThe Green Building Certification Institute (GBCI) manages Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) building certification and professional accreditation processes. It was established in 2008 with support from the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC). - we can pro-rate these site materials.

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Robert Wichert Engineer
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How to assign credits to team members in GROUP projects

It looks like V.3 allowed assigning credits to individual team members, but USGBC/LEEDONLINE GROUP PROJECTS does not.

Am I missing something?

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Aug 13 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

You are correct Robert. LEED Online for Campus, the new platform for AGMBC projects, does not require (or allow) credits to be assigned to individual team members or roles. Any team member may work on any credit. This is a change from LEED Online v3 that is meant to streamline the interface, but if you feel that it is a feature you would like to have back, please feel free to note that in reply to this posting, and I will pass along your feedback to our development team. Thanks!

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Robert Wichert Engineer Aug 13 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Thanks Eric, but on another issue... Group LeedOnline does not work at all right now for the following browsers:
Safari 5.1.7
MSIE 10.0.9200
Chrome Version 28.0.1500.95 m
Firefox 22.0

Am I the only one having trouble? Is there a fix?

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Aug 13 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Robert, Yes we have the same problem..especially if you download Adobe Acrobat Pro onto your computer...it pulls the Reader plugin from the browser. OK, so this may be an Adobe problem but as it's happened three times on three different computers I'm not so sure. Currently we have one computer dedicated only to LEED on Line....which of course is a total pain.
I have my fingers crossed that USGBC's software upgrade, scheduled for this weekend might...MIGHT...have a fix that will either:
1. Solve the compatibility problem
2. Have a diagnostic link to help us through the problems
3. Decide that we're going back to the paper version...where we KNOW the process works.
UUUggg, talk about the cost of LEED...if I have to pay another dollar to the IT department to sort this again!!!

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Robert Wichert Engineer Aug 13 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Thanks for the hint, Barry. I went after AdobePro, since I have it on my computer. I "solved" it like this...

1) Use Mozilla Firefox. The others don't seem to have the option to bypass AcrobatPro.

2) Try to make AcrobatReader the default reader for Mozilla Firefox. This is done at Firefox>Options>Applications. You can change it, but it won't really work.

3) When you go to access a form using Firefox, it will give you an error message "To view the full contents of this document, you need a later version of PDF viewer..." Well, I think that is because my AcroPro is X and they want XI HOWEVER it also has a banner at the top which says "This pdf document may not be displayed correctly" and a button with "open with a different viewer". If you punch that button and pick AcrobatReader XI, the form comes up, but after a few seconds, Adobe Acrobat Reader crashes and you are left with a ghost of the form. : (

4. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE! Now, open Acrobat Reader alone, without any files open and go to Edit>Preferences>Security(Enhanced) and turn off PROTECTED MODE and turn off ENABLE ENHANCED SECURITY and turn off ENABLE PROTECTED MODE AT STARTUP.

Voila! You can now use Mozilla Firefox to access forms if you try once and then pick Adobe Acrobat Reader XI and there you go!

Or so it works for me.

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Aug 14 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Hi Robert & Barry, My apologies for the inconveniences this incompatibility is causing. At the moment LEED Online for Campus works on IE 9 & IE 10 browsers and Firefox 21.0 The problem you are experiencing with (MS) IE 10.0.9200 is likely due to having the 'compatibility' setting turned-on. This IS a necessary setting for LEED Online v3, but not for LEED Online for Campus. You may use the 'Feedback' link in either version of LEED Online to request more detailed assistance if you are having trouble with browser compatibility.

Note: Firefox 22 created some problems with saving data in LEED Online for Campus (as well as issues with other software) that can be fixed by stepping back to version 21 for the time-being.

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Hernando Miranda Owner, Soltierra LLC Aug 14 2013 Guest 10774 Thumbs Up

The problem with the LEED forms is they use proprietary Adobe coding. The USGBC needs to switch to open code forms. HTML5 is what the browsers are using these days. Yes, it is a huge task to switch over the forms. Eventually, everyone will switch over to HTML5, Adobe included. The bullet has to be bitten at some point.

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Robert Wichert Engineer Aug 14 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Thanks to Eric, I am now able to use the system. The trick was getting compatibility mode turned OFF!

Thanks Eric!

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Barry Giles Founder & CEO, LEED Fellow, BREEAM Fellow, BuildingWise LLC Aug 14 2013 LEEDuser Expert 6861 Thumbs Up

Eric

Many thanks for jumping in. As a company using 100% MAC, we will need to take alternative routes...backing out of Firefox is one, but it still doesn't cure the incompatibility with Adobe Acrobat XI Pro. We'll try a few more routes and re-post later. Thanks

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Robert Wichert Engineer Aug 30 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Well, Compatibility OFF seems to get me to the forms OK, but now the +ADD FILE function in the upload area doesn't work at all. Is anybody else having this problem?

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Eric Anderson Technical Customer Service Specialist, GBCI Aug 30 2013 Guest 1789 Thumbs Up

Hi Robert, I'm sorry you're still having some trouble with this. At this point, I'd recommend that you use the 'Feedback' button in LEED Online for Campus (usually found in the lower right of the screen) to report your problem to our IT staff. Please include the particular form(s) that you're having trouble with and how best to reach you, as well as information about the browser you are using. They should be able to help you through it.

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Robert Wichert Engineer Aug 30 2013 Guest 693 Thumbs Up

Right, Eric...

I already did that. I can use, update and save the forms, but the upload area +ADD FILE button is not working at all.

Have a great holiday!

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